The Hunt for Bin Laden

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Michael, May 13, 2015.

  1. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    According to that conspiracy news outlet NBC: Most of Obama's story about how he ordered the take down of Osama following CIA discovering where his hideout was located - was just another Government poop-sandwich shoveled down the gullet of a functionally illiterate 'electorate' in a made-for-TV election bid.

    Pakistani Asset Helped in Hunt for Bin Laden, Sources Say

    As it turns out, a Pakistani agent turned the information in for a lion's share of the $25 million reward a year earlier where it was sat on until an opportune time during the election cycle. And instead of a 'burial' at sea, his arms and legs were tossed over the side of a helicopter. I suppose that's a burial - of sorts.

    "You know, I'm really good at Killing people."
    - Obama (2013)

    "Surprised"
    - Obama (2009)
    Following notification he'd been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
     
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  3. Bells Staff Member

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    The guy who made these claims also declared that senior members of the US military are members of the Knights of Malta and that many are Opus Dei who are intent on converting the Middle East to Christianity. I think at this point in time, any such fantastic claims he makes and is unable to support aside from his so called distant and secret sources, should be taken with a great pinch of salt.

    This latest one has been discredited and is about as big of a conspiracy as the Jade Helm paranoia?

    Hersh has been slowly losing it for a few years now. The fact that the paper he has been affiliated with for years refused to publish it should tell you something. All he seems to come out with now are fantastic unsupported conspiracies. Which is a shame. The man used to be brilliant and it is sad to see someone go down the rabbit hole of madness.
     
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  5. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Another conspiracy rag: The New York Times suggesting Hersh (whom everyone knows is a washed up crack-potted indignant traitor) may be correct.


    Side note: The CIA Just Declassified the Document That Supposedly Justified the Iraq Invasion
    March 20, 2015
    Meh, a few trillion dollars spent supporting the Military Industrial Complex (instead of medicine, alternative energy, exploration, and other peaceful technology - oh well, at least Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize) and a few more trillion spent bailing out the 0.1% who own equity in much of the MIC. Sort of win-win, for them. Oddly enough, that same 0.1% own most of the media outlets too. Funny that.

    Crazy ole' has-been Hersh. Everybody knows he's been a crazy ole' crank for the last decade. To bad too. He used to be pretty good. Oh well.

    Hey!
    Look!
    Shiny!
     
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  7. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    So on Wednesdays you do regard government spending support for medicine, alternative energy, "exploration", etc, as both effective, and preferable to contracting with private industry to support the military defense of the United States.
     
  8. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    I'd much rather have our Government's use of violence against the laborer and the producer go away - altogether.

    No, I don't regard our government's violent redistribution of resources as 'more' effective.

    Of course, anyone sane would prefer to see resources directed towards medical advancements, alternative energies, various explorations and other peaceful technology. This does NOT require government. As a matter of fact - it requires LESS government. Something you just don't seem to get. Even though the State bails out the richest Crony's YOY and wastes TRILLION on phony wars and BILLIONS on functionally illiterate cog-producing Government schools.

    A couple years ago, a colleague of mine who works in a research institution bemoaned the fact they were forced to spend 3 million dollars in 8 months. Why? Because if not they'd lose the money. That's how 'Public' funding works. Saving and spending wisely and frugally results in a loss of funds. I'll tell you what, it rarely happens when you're working in the 'free-market' that you find yourself being forced to waste millions of dollars. So, they spend that 3 million on anything and everything they could think of. This isn't unusual. It's quite normal. I've seen career Public Servants blow through 100s of millions of dollars each year - only to make things WORSE. Only an idiot (aka: the voting public) would think a career politician would have any inclination towards providing value for money. Most have NEVER held a job and despise what little contact they do have with the 'Public' they 'Serve'.

    And get this, 1000s of billions of dollars isn't just wasted - not without having massive unknown effects on society. We now have 10s of thousands of PhD research graduates working at McDonalds Inc. (that is, IF they're lucky enough to find a job in fast-food or hospitality). Millions of students waste their entire productive lives in an attempt to get into various gate-keeper degree mills so they can be shat out the other side as barely competent State Licensed "Professionals".
    One more time:
    1990 = 85,000 deaths due to State licensed "Professionals" making medical errors.
    2010 = 480,000 deaths due to State licensed "Professionals" making medical errors.
    1910 = 85% literacy in African Americans living in a Chicago boro.
    2010 = 50% literacy in the SAME burrow.

    Oh well, Theobots need their Gods and Statebots need their State. Let's see if our Political Leaders haven't decided it's time for another cull of their less than productive Chattel. May guess is - they're thinking about.
     
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  9. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    i don't usually point out spelling and grammar mistakes but seriously how the fuck do you confuse the words burrow and borough? also the term borough really isn't used in chicago or the midwest.
     
  10. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    It's called auto-spell. How's that? Also, I'm from the mid-west.

    Image a group of people living on a plot of land owned by the Koch Brother. Imagine if the Koch Brothers used their private militia and forced you to pay them a percentage for every hour you worked, and if you didn't pay them, you were put in jail and if you resisted - you were shot. On top of this, they were the world's largest polluter. The also didn't let you perform a job of your choosing EVEN if people around you liked what you were attempting to sell to them. Nope. You had to ask the Koch brother's (or a rep) for their permission and then pay them a fee. You also couldn't drink beer or smoke. Nope. They decided that was against the 'Good of Koch Ville'. Oh, and you weren't allow to leave their little plantation unless you asked them for permission (or a rep) and paid them a fee. Oh, and you also had to pay on the Debts of the people that lived before you. Koch Ville had so many laws that the average person violated 3 of them per day. Which worked out well for putting the boot on those that attempted to make themselves a nuance. In addition to all this, they also decided who you could legally marry. What foods you could legally buy and sell. AND they used the NSA to keep tract of every move you made and every communication you had.

    The Koch's weren't all that bad though, they forced your children to attend Koch Ville schools where they were shamed into saying a Pledge of Allegiance to the Dear Koch's and after a little over a decade 'graduated' functionally illiterate. They gave you free medical care - and it was the THIRD leading cause of death in Koch Ville. They also gave you 'free' roads - which was the second leading cause of death.

    And all the little Peons in Koch Ville waved their stupid Koch Ville flags, got angry at anyone who didn't love the Dear Kochs and marveled at what a wonderful life they led - seeing as in they were the 'freest' people in the history of the earth. Oh, and they also wondered how people ever managed to have roads, schools, medicine and create the post-modern age all WITHOUT the Koch Brothers telling them what they can do, who they can do it with and how.

    And the sad thing is, I'm pretty sure Koch Ville would be run more efficiently (and probably more equitably) than the U.S.S.A.
     
  11. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    If you're going to complain about the state as a monopoly on violence, it would probably behoove you to comprehend a little about what that means.

    As it is, you are calling for nothing more than the end of civilized society.

    And as near as anyone else can tell, it's in exchange for some feelgood fantasy in which human beings spontaneously evolve into genuine altruism.

    In truth, Michael, that's why you're so widely regarded as a sick joke around here.

    See, the thing is that you end up promoting the state and established powers by playing the fool; people see you and wonder if being that kind of ignorant, self-centered hatemonger is what it really takes. And nobody, given a wilful choice, will admit to choosing that path.
     
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  12. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    I can't spell worth shit. i routinely spell words so badly spell check doesn't recognize them and yet i don't think i could fuck up quite that badly.
    than why are you using a word you damn well should know isn't used in the area? i doubt that. given your general shadyness i find it hard to believe anything you say.
     
  13. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Firstly, no one can know if an advanced voluntary "society" can exist. I think it could, but no one can know until it happens (Hume's Problem of Induction).

    Secondly, Emmanuel Kant suggested Anarchy as the moral form of society - not me (Anthropology from a Pragmatic Point of View). So, argue with him.

    Thirdly, I'm not suggesting we *poof* become a morally structured society. What I'm suggesting is we become a LESS violent society.

    This is pretty simple: The State's role is the same as it is now in this sense: enforce Laws that protect property and uphold contract; the free-market creates various money, and humans are FREE to work within these parameters and create value by trading goods and services with one another. As a matter of fact, history strongly suggests that the freer a society becomes, the more prosperous it becomes. But, regardless, my argument isn't from history. It's a moral argument.

    There's also an economic argument. Which is why we need sound money. Can you tell me how much my tea cup here is worth to me? Nope. You can't. I asked a friend of mine, he thought it was plastic and guessed $0.50 cents. It's actually red Chinese lacquer and the 'yellow' is a thin gold paint. A really nice gift that was given to me while I was in Japan at a temple. Given, I don't know what it's worth to me, you cannot. What to do then? Well, we need sound money, and then an offer. Then, at the time, for the moment, we'll both know. As soon as it's over, the value will begin to change.

    Until the day comes when a God or a God-like super computer can read our wishes, then we'll need sound money and freedom to determine value. Until the day comes when we have unlimited resources - we'll need sound money and freedom.

    The ONLY ones living in a fantasy are you Regressive Socialists. Socialists have starved millions and millions of people to death this last century. Well, now your insanity is killing off the planet itself. So, at least we have that to look forward to.

    And? Most 'people around here' don't know what an argument is, let alone the difference between a valid deductive argument versus a cogent inductive one. Most people confuse the word Ethics with moral. Most people have a limited small experience of the world (usually from their TV).
    Most people thought atheists were 'a sick joke'.
    Most people thought abolitionists were 'a sick joke'.
    Most people thought the notion the Earth went around the Sun was a 'sick joke'.
    Most people thought giving women the right to vote was a 'sick joke'.

    Again, the argument I'm making is the moral argument. You appear to comprehend this as you don't make a counter moral argument, you instead mistake my opinion by suggesting I am "calling for nothing more than the end of civilized society". Well, you're in good stead. Your's IS the same argument Slave owners made against abolitionists. It's the same argument the Theocratic in the ME make against Atheists. This is what you don't seem to get. The State IS antithesis to Civilized Society.

    One more time: The State IS antithesis to Civilized Society. The State is a return to the JUNGLE. The State is violence against INNOCENT people.

    Actually, I spend the vast majority of my time conducting medical research as well as on medical pedagogic strategies.

    When I'm not doing that I'm working on three children's stories that help explain what 'Science' is and what it is not.

    I can safely say, the children stories are the harder of the two.
     
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  14. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    It's called *GASP* reading. See, when you read, you are exposed to different words. Not to mention I've lived in other countries. Yeah, smart phones make wild guesses. And? Is a spelling mistake THAT interesting?
     
  15. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    So in 1910 people with a lifetime's access to socialist government schooling and no capitalist Company Town dependency were 85% literate, and in 2010 the children of people who had escaped from Company Town dominated schooling and traveled to a place with more socialist schools had still not caught up.

    It's like they brought their Company Town problems with them. Or maybe there's another factor.

    Or what argument were you trying to make there?

    Your argument depends completely on your asserted equivalence between individual freedom and unregulated corporate capitalism, and the only way you can support nonsense like that is to rewrite the historical record to match your fantasies and delusions, assert a state of freedom in people who were and are manifestly bound and coerced, and deny the existence of major aspects of physical and economic reality.

    Which you do, and then defend on moral grounds. Because moral soundness, in your view, obviates any considerations of political, physical, or historical fact. You don't correct your morality in light of physical reality, but rather rearrange your description of reality to agree with your moral imperatives.

    That's why you always get your facts wrong, when you make historical arguments.
     
  16. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    I'm very well read actually so please don't cop your condecending attitude to me. god why do you always have to insult everyone who disagrees with you.
    I have trouble believing that. people who live abroad rarely have such a uniquely american political viewpoint.
    that's all you needed to say.
    actually it was its improper use in context of chicago that set it out for me. i only noticed the spelling after words.
     
  17. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Firstly, in 1910 children were allowed to attend Government schools IF they could read and write. Secondly, the teachers in Government schools (and Private schools) could be fired for poor performance. I can promise you that teachers that graduated functional illiterates would soon find themselves out of a job. Not so in 2010, where a relatively large percentage of teachers, are themselves, functionally illiterate.

    The Teacher Who Couldn't Read

    Suppose there were two companies A and B. The people employed at Company A had to work hard to provide the 'free-market' (that's to say, free people) with high quality educational products, at a reasonable price, or they went bankrupt and lost their jobs. The people employed at Company B used agents of the State to force everyone to buy their educational products without any regards to quality, they also used the State to put Company A out of business by passing Laws that only legally allowed a certain number of "Educational" companies to exist in any given "Market".

    People working at Company B have no incentive provide high quality, low cost education that people value and are willing to pay for, for that value.

    And they don't. As evidenced by the 1 in 5 functional illiterate 'graduation' rate - even though the so-called 'customers' spend tens of billions a year. I find it funny you want competition when it's Businesses (oh, the State has to protect us from monopolies like Standard Oil or Microsoft or etc....) but then you turn right around and give the State (which already has a monopoly on violent force) a monopoly on education?! Does that seem reasonable or asinine. Why would you give the people who are working in the ONLY legally immoral institution in society, the Government, the responsibility of educating your children???? I mean, Jesus H Christ. Within a decade they had children pledging themselves to the State... for f*cks sake.

    If a rational deductive argument isn't your cup of tea, then try empiricism. Take a good look at the numbers, you're the one living in a fantasy land. The State is wasting trillions and trillions of dollars in phony wars to prop up crony military weapons dealers, bails out the richest 0.01% while shoveling the poor into violent Government welfare ghettos and proving their children with such shitty over-priced education, that 1 in 5 so-called Graduates from "High" school cannot read or write with any level of competence while the ones who go onto University, on average, read and write at the level of a 7th grader.

    Your fantasy is that using Violence against innocent people is 'good for society'. And you come up with the most silly rational - like "You use the Roads". I mean? WTF? I also pay for the roads when I buy gasoline. It's part of the tax.

    Stop and think on that. Because, I'm pretty sure that, if you really are in need of a superstition, there's better ones out there to be had. Maybe try Buddhism instead of Statism?
     
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  18. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    This is fair. I'm sorry if I sounded like a jerk.
     
  19. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    This is the USA... not North Korea where Glorious Leader can do whatever he pleases... yes, regulation is stupidly lax, but even with such pathetic enforcement of the laws and such, this kind of scenario cannot happen.
     
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