So they are burning and looting in Baltimore tonight

Oh, so now you acknowledge them, but you just don't recognize their findings. You have no evidence to support any of your beliefs...zero, zip, nada. You have no evidence the Ferguson prosecutor didn't want an indictment. You have no evidence Ferguson grand jury was conducted "wildly" different. You have no evidence of any misconduct related to the Ferguson grand jury. You have repeatedly falsely equated the Ferguson grand jury with a trial and as recently as just a few posts ago. You have no evidence the Ferguson grand jury was a "sham". Those are all minor insignificant details for you because you have a belief which trumps evidence and reason.

LOL, the bottom line here is you cannot prove your assertions. That's obfuscation PJ. I asked you to support your statement with evidence. This is what you said, "says you the guy who made the implied claim that 99.9932% of all grand juries are conducted improperly.". So again PJ, where is your evidence to support your assertion? It's with all your other evidence. It doesn't exist. You are making shit up again PJ. I never said or implied grand juries, much less, 99.9932% of them were conducted improperly - one of those damn minor details again PJ.

Well, I think you paragraph here really shows how disconnected your thoughts and beliefs really are. You have no idea what credible evidence is, all you can do and all you do is cast out personal attacks and obfuscate. But then you have few facts and your arguments are completely devoid of rational thought. Facts and reason are not "hissy fits" PJ, unfortunate as that may be for you. As lamentable as it may be for you PJ, fact and reason matter.

 

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No. I made no assertion as you claimed I did. I did NOT "equate" the two events. I expressed (in post 100) a hope that Freddy Gray & Marilyn Mosbe's actions would be a "turning point" like the Rosa Parks event was. Here is a FULL QUOTE of my post 100 "hope statement":

"This may be as historic a turning point for America as when Rosa Parks went to jail instead of the back of the bus as white authority told her too. I hope so, anyway."

No assertion that it is a "turning point."

You simply lie, and never apologize for stuffing words in people's month. That is the hall mark of a giant ego and tiny character, we all know you to be.

 

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More proof of your "giant ego and tiny character" but that has been well established by your posts over the years.

 

Mod Hat ― Intervention

The staff has received a particular complaint regarding specific conduct within the thread, and it is, prima facie, valid.

However, I will also note that when one makes that special effort to troll, the chances that someone will take a poke like that increase greatly.

I am at this time passing on any disciplinary action, but reserve this issue for reconsideration should circumstance prove necessity.

What I need is for people to calm down.

Full stop.

If you are offended by something you consider trolling, it does you no good to dive into the excrement you so disdain. If you are offended by people's responses to your trolling, reconsider whether or not you have chosen your role wisely. These threads bring out the worst in people sometimes, and one needs no divine insight to discern between those who are merely responding and those who are specifically calculating.

And if one does not like the responses, there are times when the advice is to stop calculating one's own misbehavior. This is one of those, and it would serve everyone best if we just raise our own expectations for ourselves and get on with it.

 

Huh, belief isn't evidence. People talk of UFO's too, does that make them real?

 

And it is not just Baltimore, if being murdered is an indication:

So the killer is not just from the same race you are, but often is as cross race contacts are not as common. While leading the successful effort to desecrate Baltimore's restaurants, I spend several hours each day one summer with both races, but mainly blacks. Some of them had low self respect and a low opinion of other blacks. Almost believing no wrong was being done to them. It was normal they could buy food from a restaurant, receive it in a box, and then set outside on the curb to eat it.

 

No. But direct eyewitness accounts ARE evidence. (I've heard similar accounts from friends of mine on the police force.)

 

Anecdotal stories are not evidence and I have seen nothing which indicates or supports the notion that blacks are racist against blacks which you and Fraggle are pushing. I worked on the streets of a very large urban and violent city for a decade as an EMT. I worked with a black partner for 8 of those 10 years. We were what they called then a salt and pepper team. My partner grew up in the city (Oakland, CA). At the time we worked together, his brother was doing time in a state prison for murdering his girlfriend. Wilfrey like many people, grew up without a father. In Wilfrey's time off time he worked to make his community better. Now both Wilfrey and I were subject to a host of name calling during out times together working the Streets of Oakland. Wilfrey even got shot at once by his patient's husband. On occasion he was called an Uncle Tom and a host of other names which he didn't appreciate and I was the target of a number of racial slurs and other sorts of abuse. We worked with cops. But in my decade working the streets, I never saw any evidence of black on black racism.

However there were and are class differences. Class discrimination isn't racism. Both Wilfrey and I were employed. Most of our patients were not. They were unemployed, most of them chronically unemployed. We were working men, they were not. Class discrimination isn't racism. There were black criminals in the city, but they weren't alone. There were white criminals too. There were black substance abusers, but there were many white substance abusers too. It's a class issue. It isn't a race issue. And it's an culture issue. On the streets, almost everyone is running a scam. And it's easy, too easy, to believe everyone is running a scam. It's too easy to develop an them versus us attitude. But that has nothing to do with race. Did you not read Parmalee's personal account of his experience? And Parmalee is white.

Requesting medical attention is commonly used as rouse in order to get out of jail. That doesn't explain or justify what happened to Mr. Grey. It was wrong to deny Mr. Grey access to healthcare when he requested it and it was even more wrong to allow Mr. Grey to sustain the injuries he sustained. But just because police officers denied Mr. Grey access to healthcare it doesn't mean it was racist to deny him access to healthcare. Police officers and police departments need to be reminded, not everyone is running a scam. That is a cultural issue within police departments. When you see people at their worst all the time, one tends to develop a jaded outlook. Police and others who work in the nation's inner cities need to be reminded that there are some really good people out there like Wilfrey. And that is why community policing is so important.

Below is a good definition of what community policing is and unfortunately, we are not seeing enough of it. I think Obama has the right ideas. Let's home he can implement them effectively, because if the inner city becomes a better and safer place, we all win.

http://www.lincoln.ne.gov/city/police/cbp.htm

 

Case in point. Friend of mine worked on the police force in Oakland. They responded to a disturbance call and found a man and a woman arguing. My friend hated these kinds of calls because there were no winners. Do you arrest the guy? If so the woman turns on you, says "Pigs! He did nothing wrong and I will swear to it!" Or you let them off with a warning and you find her the next day in a hospital with a broken jaw.

So they were there talking to the man and woman and at one point the guy turned to his girlfriend and says "shut up you b***h!" My friend's partner then slapped the guy across the face so hard he knocked him down, then drew his gun and pointed it at him. (They were both black.) Then told him "You do NOT disrespect your woman. Or else. Do we have an understanding?" He held the gun on him until he said yes. Then he put it away and left.

And that sort of thing was pretty common on their beat. Guy got promoted for his ability to "defuse domestic violence situations." He told my friend he knew he'd never get away with it on a white guy, but blacks "understood where he was coming from."

 

Another killing in Baltimore. A young black man was shot and killed when he left the steps he was sitting on and rushed the police lines. Police said he was armed , witnesses said he wasn't. Here we go again.

 

I doubt that's why he was promoted. But I can relate to the experience you described, though I never saw a police officer threaten anyone with a gun.

The situation you described was all too common. Everybody is drunk and bordering on hysteria. Frequently the woman is faking a medical event. That's how Wilfrey got shot at.

 

Joe If it is not race related, why is the dead body killed by a cop black, 21 times more common than the dead body is white? And this when blacks make up less than 15% of the US population?

 

Well for starters, I don't know where you get your numbers, but they are wrong. Actually, the numbers show cops killed almost twice as many whites as they did blacks.

"Over the span of more than a decade, 2,151 whites died by being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks. In that respect, Medved is correct."

http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...alk-show-host-police-kill-more-whites-blacks/

This comes as a surprise to people, but just because you have a hammer, it doesn't follow that everything is a nail. Racism isn't the cause of every perceived ill. Life is a little more complicated than that.

 

I heard it on CNN as I recall. I'll, for the first time, do what you frequently do: Note that is one talk show host's comment - nothing more. Get a creditable source.

 

Oh, and who was this source of yours? You have cited an unnamed source you claim you heard on CNN. Was it a CNN employee or someone interviewed by CNN (e.g. a protestor). You have provided no links for verification. But yet you cling to your belief and discount and ignore verifiable facts. I cited Politifact which is a credible source, much more so that what you claimed to have heard on CNN from an unnamed source.

 

If you factor in the difference in population numbers, you'll see where the numbers Billy provided may come from.

Either way, those numbers are atrocious.

 

Actually, no. If you read the reference material I provided, when you factor in the other variables, the number of blacks killed a rate three times higher than whites. That isn't anywhere close the 21 times rate asserted by BillyT. And the fact, that blacks are killed at a higher rate whites doesn't in itself indicate any racism because as previously mentioned, there are other factors at work here.

The material below is extracted from my previous Politicfact reference.


"A 2002 study in the American Journal of Public Health found that the death rate due to legal intervention was more than three times higher for blacks than for whites in the period from 1988 to 1997.

That is not the final story though. There are different theories as to why the black rate is so much higher.

Candace McCoy is a criminologist at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice at the City University of New York. McCoy said blacks might be more likely to have a violent encounter with police because they are convicted of felonies at a higher rate than whites. Felonies include everything from violent crimes like murder and rape, to property crimes like burglary and embezzlement, to drug trafficking and gun offenses.

The Bureau of Justice Statistics reported that in 2004, state courts had over 1 million felony convictions. Of those, 59 percent were committed by whites and 38 percent by blacks. But when you factor in the population of whites and blacks, the felony rates stand at 330 per 100,000 for whites and 1,178 per 100,000 for blacks. That’s more than a three-fold difference.

McCoy noted that this has more to do with income than race. The felony rates for poor whites are similar to those of poor blacks.

The real factor here, as previously stated, appears to be social class rather than race. In any case, BillyT's numbers are grossly overstated.

 

No. you cited one guy's opinion as fact. Go to your own link* and first thing you read there is:

""More whites than blacks are victims of deadly police shootings." — Michael Medved on Tuesday, August 19th, 2014 in a Web post from the "Michael Medved Show" next to which the "truth meter" gives it a "half true."

* your link was: http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...alk-show-host-police-kill-more-whites-blacks/