So they are burning and looting in Baltimore tonight

Well if your cries of racism are to be believed BillyT, this racism you have been complaining about is black on black racism...something yet to be recognized probably because it just is not believable because it lacks evidence.

What we are seeing in Baltimore is police misconduct and not racism. The issue should be how do we fix it? We shouldn't be using this incident to flame the seeds of racism. What people too often forget racism is a two way street. We should be asking why the police force acted they way it did? We should be asking why did this devolve into riots so quickly? The community of Baltimore correctly responded with protests. But the rioting was a step too far. Those are some tough questions. And once we find those answers we need to take corrective measures.

There are some serious issues which need to be addressed. But with Republicans in control of Congress, nothing will happen. Those issues will not be addressed. Demagoguery isn't going to solve our inner city problems.

 

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Where is your evidence that the King case was racism? Where is your evidence of massive racism? You have none.

 

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Again PJ, the facts clearly indicate you are wrong. The problem for you is you have no evidence to support your assertions - not one. The problem for you PJ is that facts are just not consistent with your beliefs. A grand jury reviewed all the evidence and found no cause to even accuse Officer Wilson of any crime. A federal justice investigation was conducted which exonerated Officer Wilson of any crime. So while you find it easy to slander Officer Wilson and ignore all the evidence, the evidence does matter all the time and not just when it supports your beliefs. That is a lesson I learned decades ago in high school. Unfortunately some folks never learn that lesson. You might be one of those folks PJ.

 

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I never said "massive racism" - only that no whites were pulled from cars and beaten by the police. What made Rodney King special was George Holliday's video camera. Now technology for that is more common. Serious police abuses are recorded about every month now, but only makes national news when a black dead body is produced.

BTW Rosa Parks, is relevant - Shows that racism / different rules, drinking fountains, bath rooms, etc. was the law - not some racism by the few - US legalized racism for years and it still was common in the 1960s when I was spit upon etc. for walking in pricket line outside white only restaurants. Deep seated predigests die slowly.

 

You are shifting positions BillyT. Yes Rosa Parks caused a ground breaking event. But contrary to your assertion, this incident in Baltimore is no Rosa Parks event. The racists practices which caused Rosa Parks to begin a peaceful civil protest ended with The Civil Rights Act of 1964. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 ended the right to discriminate against people based on race a half century ago.

 

As you often do, you are putting words in my mouth. I never asserted that this was "turning point." Here I what I said in post 100:

"This may be as historic a turning point for America as when Rosa Parks went to jail instead of the back of the bus as white authority told her too. I hope so, anyway."

And just like in the Rosa Parks case, it will be years before one can look back and see if, or if not, the Freddy Gray and Marilyn Mosby's response / independent investigation based, was a "truning point" in way justice is delivered for Blacks.

 

no they don't. you just refuse to accept anything than your own point of view has any validity.

says you the guy who made the implied claim that 99.9932% of all grand juries are conducted improperly. the facts actually show that he should have been have been indicted

if thats so why are you attacking me and not my points? you in the darren wilson thread repeatedly ignored and lied about the evidence that proved your black killing hero was in the wrong.

why do you keep mentioning the result of an improperly conducted grand jury as if they prove your point. the grand jury that took place only proves my point. that its sole reason for being was to whitewash what darren wilson did and had no intention of finding enough evidence. to put it simply they tried to make sure the jury wouldn't indict and they didn't. this was repeatedly pointed out to you as was the fact of the matter 99.9932% vote to indict unless its a cop who than a almost never charged.

false all the federal investigation did was say there wasn't the evidence to indict on civil rights violations

its not slander its what the facts say. what i'm saying is a. true and b not done with intent to defame him also it be libel

right which is why you lied about the evidence with darren wilson and you've taken steps to white wash this. the facts matter to me joe thats all that does. maybe eventually that matter to you instead of shitting on another dead black kid.

your attempts to project your own failings onto me won't work. so please quit your whinying and own up to the fact you defend the killing of unarmed kids by the cops. you were wrong to defend darren wilson and you your wrong to defend these animals.

 

Seriously...?

 

Yes but I was hoping for an apology for putting words in my mouth - I.e. I never asserted what you claimed I did.

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Police acting illegally* against blacks, killing some, hurts the US globally.
This photo of anger in Baltimore is from today's China daily. It will be shown in Africa etc. by China - you can bet on that.

* Freddy Gray had committed no crime. Also his search without any "probable cause" was also illegal.

BTW, for those who don't know, the lady with clinched fist, thumb folded in front, and elbow bent 90 degrees is giving the "black power" salute.

 

Unfortunately for you BillyT, no one has put words in your mouth. The only one who has put words in your mouth is you.

 

Says the guy, who refuses to acknowledge the grand jury finding and the Department of Justice findings and who has absolutely NO evidence to support any of his assertions.

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Except, I never said that...oops. I challenge you to back your accusation with evidence. But of course, we both know you can't. You never can.

Oh, and where is the credible evidence to back that assertion? The grand jury and the Justice Department disagree with your assertion. This has been discussed at length. And you my friend never have any credible evidence to substantiate your claims, in no small part because it doesn't exist. We have been through all this before. I have shown you the Justice Department findings. The grand jury decision is no secret. It has been widely published. And the grand jury, as has been pointed out to you umpteen times, found there wasn't sufficient evidence to even accuse Officer Wilson of any wrong doing. That's why, and contrary to your claims, Officer Wilson wasn't tried.

The unfortunate fact for you is your beliefs are just not consistent with reality.

No one is attacking you. Pointing your many errors of fact isn't a personal attack. It is just a fact. On the other hand, you have accused me of racism and a whole host of perversions (e.g. "your masterbating to a murder not being prosecuted only proves my point.", your post #114 http://www.sciforums.com/threads/so-they-are-burning-and-looting-in-baltimore-tonight.145828/page-6#post-3295132). You are scapegoating PJ. You are the only one making personal attacks and ignoring the evidence.

Oh, just what have I ignored? It's easy to do the demagoguery thingy, it is quite another to be honest. What has the Department of Justice ignored? What has the grand jury ignored? Unfortunately for you, the answer is nothing.

And where is your evidence to show the grand jury was improperly conducted? It's probably with your other evidence. It doesn't exist. Was the Justice Department investigation improper too? No it wasn't. Just because reality isn't consistent with your beliefs, it doesn't mean reality is fiction.

Well that is your belief, but as with everything else with you, you have no credible evidence to support your beliefs. Unfortunately for you in the real world evidence matters.

Actually, the Justice Department said more than that. The Justice Department explicitly exonerated Officer Wilson. I suggest you go back and read it. In any case, this thread isn't about rehashing the Ferguson discussion. It is quite clear you are impervious to facts and reason and are incapable of rational discussion. And it is slander to knowingly lie about another. And you have lied a lot about Officer Wilson.

If I have lied, then prove it. If I have taken steps to whitewash something, then prove it. Where have I "shit" on a dead black kid? When have I defended the killing of black kids? Where have I done any of the things you accuse me of? You can't prove any of your allegations. Because I have not lied or done any of the things you accuse me of. I have not attempted to whitewash anything. The truth isn't a whitewash PJ, it's simply the truth. As unpleasant as that is for you, it is the truth. Your demagoguery, doesn't impress me PJ.

Fortunately for the world, and unfortunately for you, evidence and reason mean something.

 

"Criminal charges filed Friday against six Baltimore police officers in the death of Freddie Gray were based on "politics and crowd control," not justice, renowned civil rights lawyer Alan Dershowitz tells Newsmax TV."

http://www.newsmax.com/Newswidget/F...dget&nmx_content=72&nmx_campaign=widgetphase2

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015...ay-charges-duke-lacrosse-case-all-over-again/

 

neither one of those quailfy as a credible source their both right wing attack sites.

 

And you have evidence of this back on black racism? Do you have any evidence black police officers are rewarded for discrimination against blacks?

 

Your assuming its a conscience thing, now of days racism presents mostly subconsciencely.

 

more lies. I acknowledge them. for the former i recognize it for what it was which you seem to be incapable of. it did exactly what the prosecuter wanted no indictment. the difference is i see for the sham it was. you lack the ability to do so and defend it ignoring the fact that is was conducted in a manner that differed wildly from the norm. as for the second you misunderstand what it was about.

that you don't understand what the word implied means isn't my problem.

I have

credible to whom? Me or you who has gone to the hilt to defend every shady as move done there? the evidence is out there i should it to you in the other thread

yes it has and you continue to ignore the evidence that proves you wrong. No if you don't mind can you stop continuing the hissy fit you had in the fergason thread and quit derailing this thread because you didn't like my reference to the sham grand jury. I'm done arguing with some incapable of accepting anything that doesn't conform to your beliefs. so please don't reply further. you've decided your ok with making decisions based on fantasies and hate rather than cold hard facts and I'm done with it.

 

Now not only no apology, YOU LIE*

Part of post 125:

Here is the HOPE, no assertion, I expressed in post 100:

No assertion made by me. Only a hope expressed. YOU put the assertion in my mouth.

* Unfortunately; Both lies and "mouth stuffing" are your standard operational procedures, which I, and others,** have complained about dozens of times.

** For example, just two posts back, post 141, pjdude 1219 begins his reply to you with: "More lies"
and
Fraggle begins his post 134 with:
"Huh? Black-on-black racism is commonplace. I live in Maryland and am quite familiar with Baltimore and Washington."

A flat out contradiction of you - but not calling you a liar, to be more polite.
(Fraggle lives in Baltimore, as I did for seven years. We have some foundations for our statements - you have none, but that has never detrude you from asserting what the facts in Baltimore are.)

 

Unfortunately for you BillyT the truth isn’t a lie. You have a long habit of writing silly things, imagined conspiracies and then when the absurdity of your post is exposed you call people liars and claim people are stuffing words into your mouth. That is your standard fare.
Unfortunately, for your posts convict you. Here is what you actually wrote (your post #100)

You quite clearly equated the event in Baltimore with Rosa Parks. Just because you are called on the line for writing silly stuff, it doesn’t mean you can legitimately excuse yourself by lying about and scapegoating others. Man up BillyT and hold yourself accountable for the things you write.

As evidenced by your above quoted post, your “I hope” statement had nothing to do with your equating the Grey tragedy in Baltimore with Rosa Parks.

Unfortunately for you BillyT, the truth betrays you and your many conspiracies and imaginings. Where Fraggle lives isn’t relevant to his assertion. Fraggle, like you, and like PJ has a belief. I have asked Fraggle and PJ to provide some evidence for their beliefs. There is a difference between a belief and evidence BillyT. Just because people believe something, it doesn't mean the belief is based on evidence and rational thought.

And what PJ and Fraggle believe has nothing to do with the fact, you quite clearly equated the Rosa Parks incident with the Grey incident in Baltimore. As much as you may want to now runaway from your words, that will not change what you very clearly wrote.

 

That's evidence of the brutality of the beating but not of the racism. He was asking about the racism.