Skeptic finds 4 year Bigfoot project "intriguing"

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  1. Bells Staff Member

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    MR - You keep posting this stuff from people connected to Ketchum or written by Ketchum herself. Do you have anything from a scientific paper that was not self published by Ketchum to support your contention?

    What I actually expected was a modicum of honesty from MR. 14 pages and still waiting.
     
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  3. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    Really??
     
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  5. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    But not for science.
     
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  7. Intersect Registered Member

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    So if basically a tiger and a lion mate and make a liger or a cross between a zebra and horse makes a zebroid, then why not bonobos, orangutans ,chimps gibbons ,gorillas so many mixing oh my gosh! Eventually making one of these mixes look related to humans and ape breeding? What because it walks upright?

    Gibbons raise their arms when walking upright and bonobos walk upright so mix those up in a magic pot , select only ones with rare pituitary tumors leading to gigantism and presto bigfoot, this may have happened during the time of the pharaohs along with breeding cats for all I know, also dogs have been selectively mutated for humankind's needs.

    So if the above isn't possible due to random or controlled circumstances that leaves Nazi Dr Carl Clauber or llya Ivanov having to have figured out how to do it and apes gone wild,A new planet of the apes movie.

    BTW Im only joking,maybe there's a shred of truth in my joke though hmm don't know

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  8. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    One, because typically, Lions and Tigers do not interbreed in the wild (and in fact, this kind of inter-species breeding is rather odd)
    Two, because such offspring are sterile, and thus unable to continue the species, so it would eventually die out
    Three, bonobos/orangutans/chimps/gorillas aren't closely enough related to result in a viable embryo/child

    Natural selection would weed this out - the only possibility would be intentional genetic manipulation

    Fair 'nuff

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    About the only reply I have at this point
     
  10. Bells Staff Member

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    Ketchum should have just tracked down Eddie Murphy and asked to speak to his aunt.
     
  11. Intersect Registered Member

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    joking aside ill agree with you on the mixing of apes, we would see such things already if it were so.

    This page seems to imply ligers not being sterile, but they seem undecided on male ligers, either way in nature I doubt it would lead to survivability.

    ligerworld.com/are-the-ligers-sterile.html

    As far as on the humorous side I also forgot extraterrestrials, they could have done it as well or just dumped an ape like similar species on earth because it wasn't economic enough to return them to their home world

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  12. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Out of interest, could you please explain how the people at Skeptical Inquirer make millions out of denying the existence of Bigfoot?

    I wouldn't mind getting a piece of that action.

    Thanks.
     
  13. garbonzo Registered Senior Member

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    http://www.starchildproject.com/dna-testing-the-evidence-to-date/dna-testing-reports

    2003, Trace Genetics, California USA: The first ancient DNA test done on the Starchild Skull, conducted using polymerase chain reaction (PCR) technology commonly used in forensic DNA analysis. This method is designed to only recover human DNA and ignore all other DNA in a sample. The test recovered a small amount of the Starchild Skull mitochondrial DNA (DNA passed down the maternal line, from the mother), demonstrating that part of the Skull's DNA matches that of a human. A control sample from the companion human skull easily yielded large amounts of both mitochondrial and nuclear DNA, which led to speculation that there was likely to be more DNA in the Starchild sample, but that the "human only primers" were not capable of extracting it. Trace Genetics advised the Starchild Project that new technology was being developed that would be able to analyze any DNA in the sample, irrespective of its species origins.

    At the time, some speculated that this result may mean the Starchild Skull had a human mother and alien father, but subsequent tests have found unusual DNA from both parents. This means that it is almost certainly not a human-alien hybrid.
     
  14. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    Simple logic could have told you it's not a human-alien hybrid.
     
  15. garbonzo Registered Senior Member

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    Skeptics would say, if Bigfoot could be living in Oklahoma and we never knew about it, then why not wild monkeys or sea otters? The answer to that is something would have to be intelligent to evade us for so long, and you have to take all the evidence together in order to creature a creature. So you can theorize a sea otter with big feet that make strange wood structures, break trees, and knock on wood too, but the thing separating Bigfoot from this sea otter is anecdotal evidence. If people saw what looked like a sea otter or a monkey (an animal that swings from trees), then sea otters or monkeys would be more plausible then, but they would still have to be intelligent.
     
  16. garbonzo Registered Senior Member

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    I go by evidence and reason, not your bastardized version of "logic", which is really just bias and gut instinct. "It-fits-my-pre-conceived-notions-of-the-world-logic." That's not science, and you should be ashamed of yourself for making such a comment.

    That's like saying, "Simple logic could have told you Obama is not American." No, that's not logic. Go by the evidence. Debate the evidence. A comment like that is just pure unscientific drivel. The trash heap of reasonable discussions.

    Trash discussions are not decided by the subject matter, as you would so cheerfully exclaim, they are decided by how the subjects are discussed. That's what makes your comment trash.
     
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  17. garbonzo Registered Senior Member

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    DNA testing is expensive and hard to find, especially with the way the subject is stigmatized. If you guys were really after the truth, you wouldn't stigmatize and outrightfully dismiss it like you have done in this thread. It's like white people hating on black people for being so poor when the white people are the ones that contributed to that, or quite simply childish, "Stop hitting yourself, stop hitting yourself!"

    YOU are contributing to why more DNA testing isn't happening.

    Todd Standing and Les Stroud was recorded on camera on Survivorman finding what could be a Bigfoot hair strand. It was tested in one lab and it came back 95% human 5% unknown. That means inconclusive. This isn't evidence of Bigfoot, but it means it should be tested again with better / different technology (there are many different tests for DNA testing). There was DNA found in Washington State that was tested and came back Unknown Primate. Again, inconclusive. It just needs more testing, like the Starchild Skull. And lets not stop there, I think the Starchild Skull is the most promising skull as it has had the most testing and preliminary testing is fascinating, but there are more weird skulls like it out there too.

    Here are two skulls that are not cone heads, but are among the strangest looking skulls to be found in Peru's museums.

    The skull in the first picture was called "Type J", and the second skull pictured was called "Type M."

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    If a large, but still "normal" human skull has a cranial capacity of 1980 ccm. and the skull J was estimated between 2600-3200 ccm and the M type estimated above 3000 ccm then CLEARLY we must conclude that the above two skulls cannot possibly be the result of cradle-boarding!

    I will not join in with the crowd saying that they are "aliens" because as far as I know, that is NOT what the above RELIABLE study had concluded. The above study simply concludes that the beings belonging to these skulls appear NOT to be related to anatomically modern humans.

    They may represent an earlier branch of hominid species that died out, or they may represent a species that was genetically manipulated into being and died out.

    And personally, from the looks of those skulls I'm very relieved that those species are not around any longer!

    I'm posting this because I'm wondering WHY there hasn't been more testing on skulls like THESE. If fascinating skulls such as these aren't tested, why would they test a random hair that could more easily be a bear rather than Bigfoot? Scientists won't do it for fear of being ostracized!
     
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  18. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Correct.
     
  19. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Birth defects aren't aliens.
     
  20. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

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    Wow, you went from "expensive" to racism. That's quite a logical leap. The real problem sounds to me like the Bigfoot crackpots don't want to put their money where their mouth is, so they just whine about the cost and "stigma" (as if it matters) instead of just ponying up the money to get the test done?

    Maybe Jerry Springer can help with that?
     
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  21. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    DNA testing can be done for about $100 and it is very simple to find a lab to do it. You will have to find another excuse to believe in megapod.
     
  22. garbonzo Registered Senior Member

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    There are tons of Bigfoot-like sighting in the south. In South America there are Curinqueans (giants measuring twelve feet tall) and Di-di or Didi, Mono Grande and the Mapinguary or Mapinguari (Sasquatch-like creatures).

    Since the arrival of the Portuguese and Spanish in South America, a steady stream of reports about bestial and dangerous sub-humans have filtered out of the hinterland. None is more compelling than the one made by Colonel P. H. Fawcett, made world famous by his dramatic and still unexplained disappearance with his eldest son in this area. The Colonel's diaries were preserved up to his last fatal expedition, and published by his son, Brian Fawcett, under the title 'Lost Trails, Lost Cities'. In it, the Colonel describes an encounter in 1914 with a group of enormous hairy savages that, although looked very primitive, were carrying bows and arrows. Apparently these wild men could not speak, but just grunt, and upon arriving their village, the Colonel and his group were on the verge of being attacked, barely avoiding capture or death by firing their guns into the ground at the ape-men's feet, who then fled in terror.
     
  23. garbonzo Registered Senior Member

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    This simply isn't true. Prove it. And prepare to be shamed.
     
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