Unified Force?

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  1. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    Ok, you are educating that tecnical scientific research people can give absolute awnser to it? Previously, was there any scientific understanding which was introduced by a non-technical person by using his evolved knowledge or Intincts?
     
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  3. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    In science there is rarely if ever an "absolute answer".
    I am not aware of any contribution to physics that has been from an individual without formal training in the past 150 years or so.
     
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  5. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    When absolute is not applicable to scientific understanding, possibilty of new understandings from any source is there.

    I doubt, I shall check.
     
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  7. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    Absolutes are not something you find in science in science you find theories, absolutes are in the realm of religion.

    OK
     
  8. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    Ok. Amyway, do you agree that One mother force of all 3 fundamental forces, if exist or if can be known, it will be one common state or force within all 4 forces? I perceive, it should be a state preferably a balance state of all forces.
     
  9. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    I do not know what you mean by a balance state of all forces.

    The 4 fundamental forces can be thought of a different aspects of a single force.

    Look at this link for more.
     
  10. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    Thanks but link is not opening.

    Have you seen it;

    >In physical cosmology, the Planck epoch (or Planck era) is the earliest period of time in the history of the universe, from zero to approximately 10−43 seconds (Planck time). It is believed that, due to the extraordinarily small scale of the Universe at the time, quantum effects of gravity dominated physical interactions. During this period, approximately 13.79 billion years ago, gravitation is believed to have been as strong as the other fundamental forces, and all the forces may have been unified. Inconceivably hot and dense, the state of the Universe during the Planck epoch was unstable. As it expanded and cooled, the familiar manifestations of the fundamental forces arose through a process known as symmetry breaking.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_epoch <

    Is it relevant to this topic?
     
  11. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    It works fine for me. Strange.

    This is from the link showing the formation of the 4 fundamental forces.

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  12. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    Thanks.

    It suggests all 4 forces were manifested from one force. If so, what unclarity is still there in declaring one prime/unified force? How can we differenciate between Quantum Gravity of start and Gravity of today?
     
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  13. danshawen Valued Senior Member

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    Some seem to think we are still seeing inflation take place at cosmological distances (dark energy) under the influence of something akin to gravity as it existed at the time of the BB, even if they don't say so explicitly.

    I understand why they would be retiscent to say so. There could be better explanations, and more observation is needed.

    Theoretically, the Higgs mechanism won't work if there is no space (vacuum) or energy in it. That would be a much different initial condition from the current era, wouldn't it? There is only energy and time, the speed of light and time dilation. That's pretty much the only way to get energy or matter into a real vacuum. But by all means, let's see what the LHC and the Webb telescope can find to support these ideas.
     
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  14. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    2. I could open the link. It is quite explainatory and easy to understand. It suggest that origionally one force was apparent at quite high temp. and particle energy and manifestations of the fundamental forces arose after it expanded and cooled. It does support one unified force. Btw, how these 4 forces will behave at "absolute zer
     

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