As the Head line suggests.. Who was to blame, the supposedly suicidal co-pilot or the security system that enabled him? go for it.. ( I will abstain from posting as I am genuinely interested in your speculations and opinions free from my influence.)
The company was aware he had suicidal tendencies. U.S. airlines are required to always have at least two people in the cockpit. Many others have added this tule since the event.
Big developments in the crash investigation on Thursday April 2. 1. The French authorities have announced the recovery of the flight data recorder. They didn't say what condition it's in. 2. The German police have announced that the browser on one of the co-pilot's personal computers show that searches were made in the days immediately before the crash seeking information on suicide and on cockpit door security. http://www.dw.de/second-germanwings-black-box-found/a-18359190
I dont put a lot of credence into a search history. He's probably searched suicide a bunch of times (based on previous reports on mental health). Show me where he discovered anything a pilot wouldnt know about cockpit door security anyways. Though I admit I learned something I didnt know before from the news reports on this crash. A hidden axe? But a quick google search shows http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/4323166 Above from 2009. I guess I just think back on all the wild ass things I have 'googled' over the last week or two... sometimes because of some post on this forum.
The browser searches show that he was thinking about suicide and cockpit-door security in the days leading up to the doomed flight. The searches would appear to be evidence of premeditation, given the evidence that the captain was locked out of the cockpit and was trying to break back in, while the aircraft was executing a controlled descent into terrain with the co-pilot alone at the controls. The co-pilot seems to have already had the outlines of his plan in mind days earlier.
Show me where he discovered anything a pilot wouldnt know about cockpit door security anyways. And I already said he's probably searched suicide before. He knew the flight boxes were going to record his every action at the controls. He knew the flight recorder was taping the conversation. Seems to me a plan to kill yourself via this method hinges a LOT on whether your coworker has to piss. Was it really premeditated or opportunistic? A browser history is not a search term. Go ahead and type cockpit door into google search. It helpfully suggests all kinds of things for you. Mine came up with Cockpit door lock Cockpit door security cockpit door code cockpit door works cockpits doors before 9 11 cockpits doors after 9/11 and others (interesting how 9/11 is listed two different ways before/after) Anyways I am skeptical of this particular statement by the prosecutors office.
It is not about the knowledge he may have gained but rather his mindset in the hours immediately preceding the event. Duh...
So... why does this thread need to exist, given that, at it's heart, it's the same as your one in the Conspiracy Theories section...?
Where did you read this? The Washington Post, America's newspaper of record for political and international news (the New York Times is respected more for business and national news), has never printed that statement. His doctors knew about these tendencies, but Germany's strong privacy laws (enacted after the Nazi and Communist eras) prevent doctors from divulging such information to an employer, the police, or anyone else. It would be unworkable to require both pilots to be in the cockpit at all times, making it impossible for them to take bathroom breaks. It would be very expensive to increase the number of crew on such a small plane. A third pilot would have to take up a seat and reduce revenue. That's basically what was found in a search of his home. Unthinkable. The pilots have the most important reasons to know everything about that technology. Nonetheless, I wouldn't be surprised if the next generation of airliners have technology allowing the doors to be controlled from the ground, overriding everyone on board. In fact, why not allow the plane to be flown by a pilot on the ground, in case of a repeat of 9/11? Yeah, I'd be scared shitless to find out that my pilot was sitting comfortably on the ground, but it would be a hell of a lot better than an empty cockpit, or one staffed by terrorists! It's abundantly clear that his mindset that day was not conducive to safe flying. His own doctors told him to stay the hell away from any aircraft. Unfortunately, in Germany, they were prohibited from sharing this information with the airline. External to Germany, it's assumed that the country will change its laws rather soon, since no one will dare fly on a German plane until that happens.
In the wake of this disaster, German (and other) airlines have imposed a rule (already on American alirlines) that no one should be alone in a cockpit. If one of the pilots has to go to the bathrom, a flight atendent is called in.
Why ...indeed. Any conspiracy theories about my motives? Any theories you offer are afterall just that. No? I am more concerned about your and others attempt to disrupt legitimate enquiry and why you feel the need to do so.
QQ: I find your threads on this crash distasteful in that they pay no regard to the families of the innocent people killed in the crash. To you, this might be some kind of game where you invent wacko conspiracies. To those who lost relatives, friends or colleagues, it's rather more serious than that. I don't think they'd much appreciate your gaming on this topic. Why don't you leave the analysis of the crash to the experts who are investigating it, rather than going off on wild flights of fancy based on scant or incorrect knowledge.
I believe you may be misinterpreting the intent of the OP James. (posted on the 01/04/2015) The OP is delving into the question of responsibility. ( not analysis of the actual crash ) If we assume that the co-pilot was suicidal and of unsound mind at the time he decided to commit mass murder then How significant can his responsibility be considered. If he is considered as unable to demonstrate culpability then he therefore can not be considered as responsible. However it is the duty of care for an airline to protect it's passengers from those persons who are mentally unwell and not enable them to hijack a plane using a security door as I believe this to be the case. This question is not so easy to resolve and one that needs to be discussed in an as objective and sensitive fashion as possible. IMO and so too do the totally shocked relatives and family of the co-pilot... As to whether you will allow this discussion to continue.. That is of course your call.
Quantum Quack You had started this thread for others to participate in discussions about the plane crash and you had said you would not participate in it further outside of the opening post. In light of how you conducted yourself in the thread on this very subject in the Conspiracies subforum, I would suggest you maintain your self imposed silence in this thread. Because if you think for one minute I am going to allow you to pull the same stunt again, then you are sorely mistaken.
Okay.. Look, I don't mind if you wish to participate. But I do not want a single conspiracy theory from you.
As I stated in the OP I wish not to over influence discussion. So I quite voluntarily choose to abstain and quite happy to spectate...thank you for your balanced position..
