Netanyahu sux

Discussion in 'Politics' started by sculptor, Mar 4, 2015.

  1. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    How about knock a dollar off for every dollar the Israeli government spends on settlements, just as a starting point?
     
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  3. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    i hope so. the key is to get enough of pressure to change their mind but not so much as to make them feel backed into a corner. my understanding of the Israeli pysche is that there is not a whole lot of wiggle room in between these to points.
     
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  7. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    The second article you linked to is nothing more than an opinionated rant. As for the first article, it clearly states that the organization in question ("OneVoice") stopped receiving funds from the US state department in November of last year, long before the Israeli election. The amount of money they received prior to that date totalled $350,000, which is peanuts even by Israeli standards. So in truth, you're just looking to push more of your superstitious bigotry by making mountains out of molehills.

    If this is such a huge deal for you, then you in all your righteousness ought to be blowing a hissy-fit over the amounts of Jewish Mafia casino money Netanyahu receives from Sheldon Adelson, which as I understand it blows your complaints about Obama right out of the water. Maybe Netanyahu should stop complaining about miniscule outside interference and start worrying about how he just turned Israel's national security into a partisan issue for Americans?
     
  8. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    On the Nature and Character of Defense

    This is a familiar piece of rhetoric, and I think few are those who would disagree with the basic principle.

    But what does it mean?

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    “Palestinians riding donkey-led carts cross through Gaza City's Shuja'iyya neighborhood during a sandstorm. This neighborhood was among the hardest hit during Israel's 50-day assault on the Gaza Strip last summer.” (Sami Kishawi / photo by Mohammed Abed↱)

    I admit, I have a hard time understanding what Israel expects to accomplish toward its security in any term when this is how they go about it.

    And when the Prime Minister of Israel is calling for genocide (2009↱, 2010↱, 2015↱) it is much more difficult to frame Israeli belligerence as defense.

    When people say God is infallible, point to this episode in the Bible. This is one time when God repents of His error, for Saul did not complete the genocide. So the Lord deposed Saul in favor of Samuel. (See 1 Samuel 15↱)

    This is also why Netanyahu and other Israeli warmongers insist on equating modern Israel with the whole of Judaism; it is how they justify their genocidal aspirations.

    For many the difficult thing about Israel's right to defend itself is that the question seems beside the point.

    I mean, hell, if this equals self-defense, one might as well pick a fight with someone and then shoot them in self-defense upon realizing he's in over his head, and who the hell gets away with ... er ... um ... ah ....

    Oh.

    Damn. Well, bad example. Or ... er ... right.

    Here is an interesting sentence from Politico:

    Angered by Netanyahu's hard-line platform toward the Palestinians, top Obama officials would not rule out the possibility of a change in American posture at the United Nations, where the U.S. has historically fended off resolutions hostile to Israel.

    I don't think this is the occasion that it will happen, but the fact that this is where the discussion has landed is not without significance. Even for the American government, it is getting harder and harder to pretend this counts as "defense". Compared to the long history of human warfare, this latest version of Israeli "defense" looks an awful lot like an engraved invitation to the fight.
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    Kishawi, Sami. "Photo of the Week: Shuja'iyya still recovering from heavy Israeli assault". Sixteen Minutes to Palestine. 19 February 2015. SMPalestine.com. 26 March 2015. http://bit.ly/1CQ5aS4

    Sullivan, Andrew. "The Specter Of Amalek". The Daily Dish. 28 May, 2009. TheAtlantic.com. 26 March 2015. http://theatln.tc/1M2Kwpv

    Weinthal, Benjamin. "'A new Amalek is appearing,' Netanyahu warns at Auschwitz". The Jerusalem Post. 28 January 2010. JPost.com. 26 March 2015. http://bit.ly/1xhSS5I

    Beinart, Peter. "Sorry, Bibi: Iran is bad, but it is no Amalek, Haman or even Nazi Germany". Haaretz. 4 March 2015. Haaretz.com. 26 March 2015. http://bit.ly/1bwoF9F

    Crowley, Michael. "Israel's shield no more?" Politico. 18 March 2015. Politico.com. 26 March 2015. http://politi.co/1CcGUcI
     
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  10. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Oh yeah? Well I found a dusty old book in which Hercules says I have the right to take your house away and send you packing for Antarctica. If Netanyahu and his alliance of Jewish Mafia and Evangelists wants to use Jacob, Isaac etc. as an excuse to displace people from their homes and destroy their lives, then he must produce the physical remnants of these Biblical figures and verifiable proof that they were who he says they were, otherwise his land claims constitute criminal fraud.
     
  11. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    It seems to me that we've reached a point where backing Israel is anti-Semitism.

    The prominence of the assertion that Israel has some right to treat other human beings this way because, well, they're Jewish, and, you know, Nazis! Amalek! Holocaust! waaaaah! is condescending toward Judaism.

    And perhaps that seems a strange priority, but it is also a priority that asserts itself.

    But that's the argument: Because they're Jews, they need special dispensation to accommodate their inability to behave decently.

    And we get that from Netanyahu himself: Criticizing Israeli crimes against humanity is an act of anti-Semitism. How does that work? It's only true because the Israeli Prime Minister says so.

    There is one easy way around it, and that is to acknowledge that Israel does not equal the whole of Judaism and Judaism does not equal the whole of Israel.

    In other words, it would seem reality itself is anti-Semitic.
     
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    A case could be made for this. However, the case would be thrown out by YHWH (Of course, the irony is YHWH has no standing in ' Gentile reality' so how in the 'world' could He throw the case out? Because of Who He is, not who they are...things have been slowly winding down for the gentiles since 1967 even though things will really heat up at the very end...think of the life cycle of a star), given what He has already said through the Old Testament Prophets concerning Himself, Israel, Jerusalem, and last but not least, His chosen People. Have they been the best witnesses of Him to the world? No...neither has His Body for that 'matter'...that will all change with His soon return to earth. In the mean time keep looking up
     
  13. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Over the course of my life I met a few rather radical Zionists. My ancestors are from Scandinavia. When my ancestors migrated to this country more than a century ago, they changed their surname and adopted a Germanic surname in order to not be confused with many other Swedes who bore similar surnames in the region they homesteaded. That simple act which occurred more than a century ago, has allowed me to experience real live Zionist discrimination in the US. I have known some Zionists who haven't wanted to work with me or even talk to me because of my surname and for no other reason. They were very blatant and open in their contempt for me and the reason for that contempt. For no other reason than my surname, they found me worthy of contempt. One of those individuals eventually migrated to Israel and signed up with the Israeli Defense Force. It didn't matter to them that I wasn't German. It didn't matter to them that my family actively participated in the war against Hitler. All that matter to them was my Germanic surname. No race or people are above fanaticism, prejudice, and racism. It afflicts us all. Unfortunately, some Zionists feel they are entitled to be racist and fanatical and Yahu is one of them.
     
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    I get the feeling that he and his supporters have taken the country and run with it and no one can get off the sinking ship. Israelis who do not support Netanyahu are sometimes described as being against the State. The are seen as being anti-Semitic. Netanyahu has taken criticism of his leadership as being an attack on Israel and Judaism, from within and without Israel.

    This is the narrative he has set in political discourse.

    Livni commented on Netanyahu's branding the left as being enemies of Israel and the danger of this sort of political discourse. When I scrolled down to the comments section and frankly, it is terrifying that people hold such views. And it's scary shit. They see the left's refusal and their being against more settlements as being a threat to Israel. Just as they saw the left's attempts at discourse with Palestinians and trying to involve Palestinian Israelis in the political arena and being represented within the political arena as being akin to the acts and actions of a traitor. For example, one comment:

    Tod_Zuckerman574 days ago

    This obtuse , self-centered nincompoop actually wanted to have the Joint Arab List ( comprised of Hamas sympathizers - every one) join her coalition from hell . She dishonors not just her parents, but every self-respecting Jew in the world. The so-called Zionist Union's campaign was a very low point in Jewish history. If you are an Israeli Jew and you voted for the ZU, you ought to be ashamed.


    Look at the language being used here. This is the tone that Netanyahu set. These are the sorts of arguments he made against the left throughout the election campaign.

    Or this one:

    DefiantJewess7 days ago

    Bibi divided Israel, ? No, it was the left that has created a civil war situation- turning left against loyal, hardworking Jews.("Settlers").

    And it is the left that was willing to give up 500,000 Jews without their consent to a unjust agreement with the Arabs.

    And it is the left that refuses to see that Land for Peace is dead and that the only ones to gain are Arabs.


    This is now the mindset of those who voted for Netanyahu. This is how they view illegal settlements and to them, the refusal to create more settlements is giving "Arabs" a gain and it is unjust.. For some on the ultra right in Israel, Jews who do not support their ideology or who are or belong to the left of politics, are Nazis and are compared to Nazis and they are or become, anti-Semitic.
     
  15. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Based on your user name, I always imagined a stocky Italian American named Joe "Pist-oh-lee" wearing a NY Mets basebawl cap and enjoyin' haut dawgs while showin' his strong suppawt foh Obaa-ma. Now I'm just picturing Thor. Anyhow there's a lot of radical Zionists out there these days, they're making more babies than everyone else, and as your own experience shows, they can be awfully ignorant and stupid.

    Israel being warned of possible upcoming suspension from all FIFA and UEFA soccer activities: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4641433,00.html

    Ooooh that one's going to sting (I'm actually not being sarcastic this time). For those still hopeful of a peaceful compromise to settle this whole thing, I think there are still enough secular-minded Israelis lying around to make the right things happen, if they're forced into choosing between international isolation and appeasing superstitious hate-mongering welfare abusers.
     
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    Which of those countries refers to France? Which of them refers to the US? The funny thing about Biblical prophecy is how it always looks like it was written by a bunch of desert savages who thought the edge of the world lied somewhere just past Greece. Oh, and in 1947 the president of the US called himself "Harry Truman", not "the Lord".
     
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    Wrong, he's focussed on dispossessing Arabs from their lands so he can hand them over to racist Russian immigrants, using any form of regional threat as an excuse, and endangering global security in the process. Like I said, Hercules gave me permission to take away your home and send you to Antarctica, so get ready...
     
  23. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    it would be interesting to see how Israel's ever tilting to the right and general extremist tendencies go with the rise of russian immigrants. in netanyahu one can almost see a putinesque figure.
     

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