Germanwings Tragedy - Is it now all about the money?

In other words, you are proposing the existence of a grand conspiracy, orchestrated by Lufthansa, that's able to control the German police, the French crash investigators, the world's news media and world public opinion. I find that idea outlandish.

It certainly appears to be.

That's a very different proposition.

How would showing that the crash was an intentional and willful act by one of the airline's most trusted agents and representatives reduce their liability?

Agreed.

The crash being a criminal act doesn't preclude civil lawsuits.

A promising line might be to argue negligence, alleging that the airline didn't vet its pilot sufficiently and didn't satisfactorily monitor his status subsequently. There's also a breach of contract aspect. An airline ticket is a contract that promises to deliver a passenger from point A to point B. This did not happen, apparently due to an intentional and willful act of the company's own representative on the airplane.

Why can't it be both?

She was his girlfriend and was intimate with him. Who would be in a better position to know about his psychological state? Investigators would naturally seek out people like that. The suggestion that the company is telling her what to say is a little bizarre.

"Airlines investigation team"? (You just pulled that out of your butt, didn't you?) It was the hospital that has been treating him that refused to release his patient records to the media. I'm sure that the German police have the records (it might have required a subpoena).

You really hate her, don't you?

Large passenger aircraft passing overhead at low altitude are very loud. Especially when the sound is bouncing off mountains. It would be a very unusual occurrance in an Alpine valley, certain to get the attention of anyone nearby.

Not unprecedented. That's what happens when you fly airliners into mountains at 500 miles per hour. Airliners are large and imposing, but they are built to be light, with thin aluminum and composite skins.

The voice recorder was recovered. It was the data recorder that was damaged.

Normal practice is to keep the cockpit door switch in the 'normal' position. That way it locks behind somebody, but can be opened from outside with a key pad. If the captain couldn't reenter that normal way, the switch would have had to have been moved to the 'lock' position.

Conceivable but unlikely it would have happened just then.

There's also the fact that the airliner's descent into the mountains was a controlled descent. The copilot was either flying the plane himself, or else had directed the autopilot to depart from its cruise trajectory.

Conceivable but highly unlikely. The plane was pressurized. And this speculation wouldn't explain the controlled descent into terrain.

That's entirely speculative and doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Murder-suicides aren't all that uncommon.

 

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How?
If the door had already been fully locked?

 

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Ultimately it is in the timing of events that will further clarify the situation. However the flight box that may have contained that information is apparently unavailable.
ie.
When exactly was the cabin door fully locked by the co-pilot?
When exactly was the decent of the plane ordered by the co-pilot?
What are the side effects of the anti depressant medications found when subjected to high altitude flight?


and so on...

 

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I find it outrageous that the world is and has condemned a man based on testimony of anonymous, close to the investigation sources. ( including an anonymous BILD promoted girlfriend )
I find it outrageous that families of victims, in their grief, are condemning a man before it has been proven that he is actually guilty. (Thus deflecting the blame from the actual entity /system responsible)
I find it outrageous that police testimony ("there are no singular elements so far" *?) is being ignored.
I find it outrageous that reports published in the BILD newspaper are granted more credibility than they usually deserve.

"Bild has been described as "notorious for its mix of gossip, inflammatory language, and sensationalism" and as having a huge influence on German politicians.[2] Its nearest English-language stylistic and journalistic equivalent is often considered to be the British national newspaper The Sun, the second highest selling European tabloid newspaper, with which it shares a degree of rivalry.[3][4][5]"
src: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild

It may yet prove that the co-pilot is indeed guilty of mass murder, however significant financial vested interest in the outcome, and media frenzy to blame someone, may destroy our (the worlds) ability to discover the truth entirely

 

One thing that has been highlighted for me at least is that the following scenario is possible. ( Even if we choose to disregard the recent events)

Captains perspective:

• Captain of flight leaves the cockpit.
• As an extra security provision co-pilot is asked by the captain to fully lock the cabin door.
• Upon returning to the cockpit the captain is unable to gain access.
• Total silence is all he is greeted with when he knocks quietly to inform the co-pilot that the door needs to be unlocked.
  
• The door to the cockpit is locked and can't be breached.
• The captain is not at the controls.
• The situation in the flight cabin with regards to the co-pilot is essentially "unknown" and "unknowable"...
  
• The plane is descending at an incredible rate.
• He knows they are flying over mountainous regions.
  
• The Captain, almost immediately knows, he and all on board are now waiting to die as nothing can be done to save the plane.
• There are no emergency communication provisions outside the locked and inaccessible cockpit.
  
• The captain tries everything he can to breach the door knowing his efforts are being black box recorded.

We have a possible dead man flying situation...

Wonders what automatic systems are in place in the case of a Dead man flying situation?

 

your forgetting something the auto pilots settings were changed to cause it to crash.

 

According to who? (anonymous sources close to the investigation - perhaps?)
An over zealous French prosecutor?
When exactly was the flight path changed?
Was it an automatic emergency feature?
Or was it a last desperate attempt by the co-pilot to save the plane before loosing consciousness?

The details are apparently unavailable due to the flight data black box destruction. I believe...*?

 

The very idea of a "dead man " flying situation is incredible to me... That a system is in place that can allow such a possibility based on the presumption that the person in a fully locked cockpit may remain healthy.

 

but so was I... maybe I can contact BILD and make some money out of this.. Gosh a hidden Gay relationship would really stir them crazy eh?

oops!

 

Reported 2 days ago
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...lot-andreas-lubitzs-background-under-scrutiny

According to the German newspaper Bild, a former girlfriend of Lubitz, identified only as Mary W, said he had told her last year: “One day I will do something that will change the whole system, and then all will know my name and remember it.”

credibility 0/10
remember 8 minutes of silence with a fully functional com's system.

As legal experts warned that the airline’s parent company, Lufthansa, could face compensation claims for hundreds of millions of dollars, Düsseldorf prosecutors said they had found the torn-up doctor’s note covering the day of the disaster – Tuesday 24 March.

credibility 9/10

“Medical documents were found that indicate an ongoing illness and appropriate medical treatment,” the statement said. “The circumstance that torn-up current medical certificates – also pertaining to the day of the act – were found, supports, after preliminary examination, the assumption that the deceased hid his illness from his employer and his professional circles.”

credibility 9/10
Most likely Common practice

No suicide note or claim of responsibility had been found, the prosecutors said.

credibility 10/10

“We should be cautious, of course. But in reality, based on what we know at this point, they are not going to be able to establish that. Whether it was a deliberate act or negligence, they’re going to be liable for a large sum of money.”

credibility 10/10

"The investigation into the crash has turned to Lubitz’s background after the disclosure by French prosecutors on Thursday that he appeared to have deliberately downed the plane in a rocky ravine."

Credibility 8/10 but only if we emphasize the word/term "Appeared to have" and presume he meant (Qualified by) "Initial evidence suggests".. blah blah blah

"Germany’s federal aviation office (LBA), which administers pilots’ licences, has reportedly asked Lufthansa for Lubitz’s files, and said it would pass them on to the French investigators.

“Anyone with a licence must report to an approved aviation doctor once a year and receive a suitability certificate,” a spokesman told the NTV news channel."

An LBA spokesman said the widely reported “special regular medical examination” (SIC) mark on Lubitz’s file could pertain to any medical problem.

credibility 9/10

The entire article is heavily influenced by the reporting of BILD which has a reputation that needs to be considered.
Therefore the credibility of the article is about 6/10 IMO

and this sort of reporting is what the world is using to make it's judgements.

 

Bells,
Why do you feel I am alluding to a deliberate conspiracy?

 

But may indicate he was unconscious. Then we have to ask about the change to flight path and when exactly in the sequence of events on board this occurred.
Did he change the settings? All we know is that the settings were indeed changed.
Did he change the settings after the Captain knocked gently on the cockpit door or before?

You see, if he changed the settings before the Captain inexplicably knocked on the door the captain and all on board would have known that the plane was in descent mode. The captain would know that this was contrary to flight plan. He would not knock gently as he would infer an emergency was occurring. If he had been locked out against procedure he would also infer something serious was up.

One of the keys to this puzzle for me, is why the Captain is BB recorded as knocking on the door? ( gently )

 

certainly something that BILD may need to consider...

given that it is impossible to prove either way (unfalsifiable)
as I said I am waiting for evidence to support that he did indeed have a relationship with a stewardess as reported by the newspaper BILD
Her supposed testimony is fueling most of the flak.. yes?

 

Other keys:

He, the captain, was not reported as attempting to access the intercom nor the key pad. ( as far as I have read)
Was there any reports of the captain trying to talk to the co-pilot via the intercom? (What did he say?)
Or that he attempted to use his code to enter the cockpit?
I don't think so...
Why would the Captain NOT use the intercom at least to try to persuade the co-pilot?
There should be heaps of voice data indicating the Captains frustration at not being able to talk to the co-pilot via the intercom or through the door, but apparently inexplicably there is none. Why?

It's not about conspiracy it's about critical thought and assessment free of sensationalism and spurious reporting.


Bells , Is the above considered as trolling by you? why?
Have I raised valid questions or not?... just curious...

 

and no one obviously foresaw that a solitary pilot in the fully locked cockpit suffering a fatal heart attack (dead man flying) would prove to be any better or worse than a terrorist standing outside the door with a heap of c4 (conflated)

and then be subject to possible hacking... uhm... I don't think so...