Netanyahu sux

Discussion in 'Politics' started by sculptor, Mar 4, 2015.

  1. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    No they didn't. The Allies included the United Kingdom. The Allies were under no obligation to resettle post WWII European Jews in foreign lands. The United Kingdom, one of the Allies, tried unsuccessfully to prevent the mass exodus of post WWII Jews to Israel because that immigration caused Arab discontent and violence.
     
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  3. Photizo Ambassador/Envoy Valued Senior Member

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    The Jews are right where He wants them to be. It's not the Jews' land, it's His land, and they are His people. One of the reasons the %&@# is going to hit the fan soon has to do with 1: the scattering of His people in the first place 200o yrs ago--along with their subsequent mistreatment over time--and 2, the dividing up of His land by various gentile nations over that same period--up to and including the present.
     
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  5. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    You know what's funny? "The One" doesn't seem to have fulfilled a single prophecy throughout history either, unless you consider "there will be war, especially if I start one" to be a prophecy. Just a bunch of untestable tall tales about things that supposedly happened 2000+ years ago with no means of independent verification. In 2500 years, your cult hasn't even explained how Noah and his sons managed to shovel all those millions of tons of dino poop from their wooden ark.
     
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  7. Photizo Ambassador/Envoy Valued Senior Member

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    Empty words, pal.
     
  8. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    I've been saying for years and years that the US can and should put meaningful pressure on Israel through diplomatic, economic and military sanctions. If you know anything about Israel's economy and its resource base, you'll easily understand that international trade and support is a lifeline for Israel without which it will become physically impossible to sustain their current lifestyles and status quo. Either they'll suffer a steady decline in quality of life and rising cost of living similar to what happened in Apartheid South Africa, or they'll be forced to change their budget priorities and halt major construction in the settlement blocs due to the ensuing economic emergency and the decline of the secular society whose taxes pay for those settlements.

    The majority of Israel's right wing suffers under the absurd delusion that they can sever trade and diplomatic ties without any major impact on their economy or lifestyles, that any markets they lose will be replaced by others and that they'll be able to manufacture any products or materials they can no longer import. Some of them even stupidly think China will become their new backer as America has been in the past. Truly magical thinking at its worst, and the reality check is very easy to deliver.

    The world has for decades tried reasoning with Israel and pushing for compromises, so just as with Russia, if international isolation pushes Netanyahu into aggression and the commitment of massacres, then he was probably intending to get that result in the first place, and there would be no option left at that point but to meet him with overwhelming force. If the world does nothing out of fear of provoking, then Israel's religious fanatics will act with impunity and only continue to expand their aggressive ambitions at whatever pace they find most convenient.
     
  9. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Tell me why they're empty instead of just recycling Biblical epithets.
     
  10. Photizo Ambassador/Envoy Valued Senior Member

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    You know what's funny? You pontificating as you did and then asking me to explain why your pontifications are empty.

    "Physician, heal thyself."
     
  11. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    You haven't explained what needs healing or what's wrong with it in the first place. You're the one pontificating and expecting that human beings should accept perpetual inequality for the sake of your medieval fantasies.
     
  12. Photizo Ambassador/Envoy Valued Senior Member

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    You're the 'physician' who made the 'diagnosis'...now you ask the 'layman' for a second opinion. Doc, you sound like a quack.
     
  13. p-brane Registered Senior Member

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  14. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Either you're not very good with English, or you're playing cheap games with me now because you've just realized that you don't have any rational points to make. You're the one who claims my words are empty, therefore you're the one making a diagnosis. If you're just an ignorant layman, then what business do you have telling me about fictional sky fairies fulfilling absurd, catastrophically destructive racist prophecies?
     
  15. Photizo Ambassador/Envoy Valued Senior Member

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    You really don't believe your empty words now do you...you just have a thinly veiled hostility towards...hmmm, you tell me. Read the Book yourself, asking the One to guide you.
     
  16. Bells Staff Member

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    Well we know there will not be a two State solution, since he has said he would not stand for one.

    And frankly, his comments about Israeli Arab voters is disturbing and it should be disturbing because of the racist ideology and bigotry behind his comments and in an area as volatile as Israel, it was done deliberately to instill distrust and fear.. Democracy becomes a mere illusion when a leader becomes unhappy and instills fear and distrust because a minority group happens to be exercising their democratic right and voting.

    His winning the election will make things harder for Israel, because, well, he's such a bloody arsehole. There is no other way to describe the man. And because he has won and because of his previous policies, and because he has shifted even so much further to the right and has adopted some positions that are morally repugnant, things may end up going downhill from here.

    If Netanyahu follows through on his pledges it would put him on a collision course with the Obama administration and the European Union, which has been weighing steps including trade measures to sanction Israel for its settlements policy.

    Parliaments in historically pro-Israel countries including France and Britain have held non-binding votes favoring recognizing Palestinian independence. Western countries have generally held back from this step, arguing that a Palestinian state must emerge from negotiations, but with Netanyahu having apparently abandoned the "two state" principle of such talks, the argument is harder to make.

    His victory also raises questions about what happens on Iran, with Obama determined to pursue negotiations towards a deal on Tehran's nuclear program and Netanyahu determined to scupper it, including by mobilizing domestic U.S. opinion.

    The Palestinians may quickly create problems for Netanyahu as they will formally become members of the International Criminal Court on April 1 and have said they will pursue war crimes charges against Israel over its 48-year occupation of the West Bank and last year's war in Gaza.

    Pre-empting those steps, Israel has suspended the transfer of tax revenue it collects on the Palestinians' behalf, holding back around $120 million a month. That has crippled the Palestinian budget and led to deep pay cuts for public sector workers.


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    To the one, they should not be in a position to be collecting tax revenue for the Palestinians. For obvious reasons. To the other, what he has done and continues to do will only spur the Palestinians to act in the ICC. And who can blame them at this point?

    The only benefit that can come out of this is that Netanyahu has outed his true self for one and all to see. And if things go south for Israel internationally, and it probably will if the EU is looking at even the possibility of trade sanctions, the blame will fall directly to his burning every bridge there was to burn. At least now the world knows what it is dealing with directly and openly.
     
  17. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    My words aren't empty, and I stand by them. I have a hostility towards racists who use fairy tales to justify their bigotry and violence towards others, and it's not veiled. As for "The Book", I'm well aware of its fictitious contents. Statistically, there's very little chance that you yourself have ever read your Bible cover to cover, and even if you have, there's almost no chance that you can remember even half the names, places and details in order to evaluate whether they're all logically consistent. And, once against speaking statistically, there's zero chance that you've ever done any meaningful fact-checking whatsoever, because the Bible is factually incorrect. You're just a willfully blind individual following the blind.

    Your attempted explanation for the nature of our universe raises more questions than it attempts to answer, while not actually explaining, predicting or modeling anything. It is therefore of no value to society's quest for truth and reality (in fact it's an obstruction), and cannot be used as justification for your barbarism.
     
  18. Photizo Ambassador/Envoy Valued Senior Member

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    Duly noted.
     
  19. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps but it was the Allies who resettled the Jews, there were other countries involved that did want the Jews to be resettled and did so without all Allies agreeing.
     
  20. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    its the right wing delusion that scares me. mainly because it makes them so unpredicitble. i'm hoping for a peaceful solution, I just worry that we may be past that point and not know it.
     
  21. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    I'm worried about the future too, but Israel's right wing won't simply dissolve away on its own as long as it has enablers. Think of the worst case scenarios: a) The world does nothing, Israel gobbles up the rest of the West Bank and the conflict spreads even further
    b) The world sanctions Israel, provoking an escalation in the conflict that would have occurred under scenario a) regardless

    Even mild sanctions or a drawback in the alliance would send the message to Israel that they don't have unconditional US support, and that without this support and the trade relations Israel enjoys with its allies, their economy and military will suffer severely. It's important that those Israelis who vote right wing but think it won't have an impact on their standard of living, get their reality check sooner rather than later. Then if the message still hasn't got through, Israel can be internationally isolated to the point that it simply won't be able to maintain a strong military and continued settlement construction at the same time, or perhaps it won't even be able to sustain either priority altogether.
     
  22. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

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    Israel has right to defend itself, but US could stop paying for all the Iron Dome missiles.
     
  23. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    The US should start trimming the 3 billion dollars in annual support we provide Israel - a little incentive to come to a peaceful solution with the Palestinians.
     

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