Levitating box of tea in shop

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  1. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    You're a gullible fool.
     
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  3. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    And you are now reported for insulting..
     
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  5. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

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    Yes.
    No, he isn't that stupid.
     
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  7. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    If I was going to insult you, I'd use much harsher language than "gullible fool".

    I'm merely commenting on your eagerness to believe any old non-scientific woo and crap.
     
  8. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    I told you, it's not ghosts or threads, it's magic.
     
  9. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

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    No, I don't think so. He knows exactly what buttons to push. Calling-out the lack of evidence of a hoax while recognizing the lack of evidence for his own claim shows that he knows the score here. He's not stupid, he's trolling.
     
  10. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Of course it is! Simply ghosts do not exist.
    Let's start with the law of gravity first....quite familiar I Imagine even for you.
     
  11. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    It's total crap.
    What do you think is doing it? Ghost? goblin? a polteigeist? The devil? God?
    But none of the above exist!
    No, simply put, it is trickery and photo doctoring to appease and impress impressionable gullible people like you.
     
  12. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    An object floating with a force applied to it is not violating the law of gravity. Try again?
     
  13. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    I'll stick to gravity thank you, since we don't possibly have another force that could be applied.
    Try again?
     
  14. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Obviously we DO have a force that can be applied as we have video footage of it. Once again, nothing whatsoever impossible about that.
     
  15. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Same old blurry type films, same old play to the impressionable and gullible....

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  16. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    No in all likelyhood we have some sort of trickery going on, either photo doctoring, illusion, or some other cunning construction played out for the gullible and impressionable.
     
  17. Bells Staff Member

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    It is a hoax.

    There are some clues that the video could be a hoax including the fact that the original footage has not been offered for analysis. The video quality is poor; it shows a clip from a CCTV recording that was filmed with a camera phone. The film is also edited; it only focuses on one camera on a quad screen, so we can’t see what’s happening in the rest of the store. Also, there are two people visible at each end of the aisle who may have been in position to pull a prank. There are many simple tricks that could be used to make the boxes appear to float or fall to the floor. For example, the box on the left-hand side of the aisle may have been simply pushed from behind. A few of my friends and I decided to make several reenactments of the events in the video to demonstrate that this phenomena can be faked, and that the paranormal can be a matter of perception.

    The first of these recreations was filmed in a restaurant. Two men are chatting at a table when a box of tea sitting on the tabletop flies off and falls onto the floor. It is picked up and put back in place although a few seconds later it flies off the table again. Behind them on a second table, another box of tea slides off the surface and floats for a few seconds before it darts to the ground. Just like a magician’s illusions, the tricks behind these events were simple and mundane. This movement was achieved using fine thread stuck to the boxes. I sat off-camera holding a thread attached to a box of tea. I simply pulled the thread each time, causing the box to fall off the table, as though a poltergeist was at work. Two assistants sat facing each other on opposite sides of the room as they controlled the movements of the second box using string. The second recreation takes place in a kitchen. With no one in sight, a box of tea glides across a table and hovers in the air for a few seconds before dropping to the ground. To create this illusion an empty box of tea was placed on a knife with a long blade that is used as a platform. Given the lighting in the room and the poor quality of the filming, the knife isn’t visible. The knife was then slowly pushed across the table, giving the appearance that the box floats through the air and then levitates. With one good puff of breath, the box falls to the ground. This was a better approach than the original video, where the box tips forward, looking as though it was sitting on a platform that was tipped slightly. In the third recreation two men are chatting in front of a fireplace. They’re absorbed in their conversation and don’t notice a box of tea that floats off the mantelpiece and hovers for a few seconds before falling to the ground. This final clip was created using computer-generated graphics. These recreations show just a few of the possible ways that the phenomena in the original video could have been hoaxed. We have a tendency to want to believe in the supernatural while at the same time we have a dislike of being fooled. Before we jump to paranormal conclusions we should explore the possible natural explanations first.




    Their making stuff levitate looks even better and more realistic than the tea boxes.

    And it is all fake.
     
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  19. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Problem is this occurred in a well-lighted store with a customer there. A knife would be visible from the upper angle of the camera, no strings can be attached to achieve that sort of smooth movement, and the box actually falls to the ground for the man to see and pick up, which rules out CGI. Is this all the debunkers got?
     
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  20. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    It's more than you have.
     
  21. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

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    This is the type of thing I'm referring to:
    MR doesn't name the force that keeps the box aloft because there is nothing in the video to indicate where that force might come from and he knows it. He's not an idiot, he's purposely making a mess of the issue.
     
  22. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I have CCTV video of a box of tea levitating from a shelf under bright lights in a busy store. You have a video of some youtube stars playing with strings and knives on staged sets under dim lighting. That's not "more" than I have.
     
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  23. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    "In our world, when you can’t produce something in a laboratory, that is, when you can’t produce it on demand and have to rely on eyewitness reports as your sole evidence, it’s not really considered scientific evidence. With the subject of ghosts and hauntings, dismissing this type of report is carried to absurd lengths as the sheer numbers of these types of paranormal event that are reported by people boggles the mind.

    As Michael Schmicker notes in his book Best Evidence:

    "Ghosts are a universal phenomenon, seen again and again and again without end by people of every culture, every religion and every country on earth. They have been reported for thousands of year by people from every economic strata; every educational strata; and every social strata. They have been seen by kings and peasants, hamburger-flippers and nuclear scientists, aborigines and bank presidents, doctors and laborers, by famous people and by average citizens, by men and women and children of every age and sex."

    It is very likely that as you are reading this someone, somewhere is experiencing a ghost sighting. Taken individually, one can cast doubt on these accounts, but as a group the sheer number of sightings is its own kind of statistical certainty. Indeed if you get on any on-line forum where people are comfortable relating their experiences you will easily get a dozen accounts of ghost encounters. It has always been like that. The first collection of ghost cases was published in: . . .wait for it . . .1573. (Ghostes and Spirites Walking by Nyght). You can find accounts of ghosts in the literature of every written language on earth.

    From a scientific standpoint, this is enough evidence. Because ghosts are experienced in every economic, cultural and social strata on earth there is simply no psychological profile that is going to fit all these people and therefore no psychological explanation will be able to account for all of these paranormal experiences. In 1886 the Society for Psychical Research investigated this phenomena and easily collected over 700 credible cases. To them as well it was not the quality of the cases but the overwhelming number of them, which impressed them as to the reality of ghosts.

    And this is hardly the end of it. Almost as soon as cameras were in the hands of large numbers of people and people could take their own pictures ghosts started appearing in pictures; people have heard them on telephones and recorded them on tape. There are literally thousands of photographs that have passed muster and have images on them unexplainable in any other way. Dave Oester, of the International Ghost Hunters Society has collected over 9,000 images and teaches classes in how to distinguish an image of a ghost from a mere artifact such as dust, bugs and camera straps.) According to Dave Oester, about 99% of submissions he receives are only artifacts caught on film and not ghosts. He offers a brief explanation of the difference in this article on ghost orbs vs. dust orbs."===https://weilerpsiblog.wordpress.com/2010/03/14/are-ghosts-and-hauntings-real-what-do-we-know/
     

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