Netanyahu sux

Discussion in 'Politics' started by sculptor, Mar 4, 2015.

  1. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    No he isn't. assholes don't make good leaders. good leaders don't play games with their most important relationships.
     
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  3. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    Jew christian muslim or atheist. zionist or not i think we can all agree that netantayu is just an asshole.
     
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  5. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Let's hope he looses the forthcoming election.
     
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  7. Bells Staff Member

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    In an interview by of Netanyahu, he was complaining of what he perceived of a global left conspiracy to oust him as Prime Minister..

    Because you know, his deplorable actions as Prime Minister had nothing to do with his plunging poll numbers.. No, can't be any of that. Therefore it must be a global conspiracy against him. And then he came out with this one gem:

    "Whether legal or not, it certainly is not legitimate for foreign governments and all kinds of donors to meddle here."


    Hmm..

    Can we say IRONY!?
     
  8. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Seems a rather odd statement seeing as how Israel is about the only country that isn't against America and that has a democratic form of government. True it has been at odds with America before but both countries have worked together to patch the strained relationship. Israel is only telling America that Iran shouldn't be trusted with any nuclear program for it, like other Arab countries, wants to dominate and eventually capture other countries that are against it including Israel. I think that he is right in expressing his opinion for he is not only looking out for Israel but for the entire Arabic area over there.
     
  9. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Seriously?
    Netanyahu looking out for the entire arabic area?
    Huh WUT?
     
  10. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    He tries to see what's happening around him just as America sees what is going on around the entire globe. He is trying to understand what the Arabic countries are up to because Israel has been invaded by Arabic countries before and to know what those and other countries are doing is a matter of self preservation.
     
  11. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    agree
    Judaism, Islam, Christianity, all the same and all following that crazy guy from Ur who would offer up his own son as a blood sacrifice.......
    What have we got to fight about except our own varied forms of insanity?

    Everyone with a pink pooka needs to declare war on those with blue pookas, then we form a pooka coalition and make war on those with pet unicorns, then we form another coalition and make war on those with wild unicorns......................................
     
  12. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Israel is the, "about the only country that isn’t against America"? Seriously….what do you call Canada, United Kingdom, Australia, Mexico, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Estonia, Germany, Italy, France, Taiwan, Philippines, and on and on? That’s a very myopic point of view, almost myopic to the point of blindness.

    I don’t recall any of those countries repeatedly attacking an unarmed US naval vessel in international waters and was clearly identifiable and flying US colors, without provocation and refusing to allow an investigation of the incident as Israel has done.
    Well if Israel is telling Americans something they should tell Americans and they should do that through the appropriate elected official, the POTUS. Yahu is a blood thirsty menace. He loves nothing more than killing Arabs and stealing their lands. Yahu doesn’t have a very good record when it comes to peace in the Middle East. So I can’t imagine why anyone would think Yahu is some kind of expert on Middle East peace. Yahu’s “peace” record is a joke. There is still no peace accord. The “two state solution” remains nothing more than an idea. Yahu’s strategy is to drag this Middle Eastern strife and unrest for as long as possible. The longer he delays Middle Eastern peace, the more land he can steal from Palestinians.
     
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  13. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Yahu
    yahoo
    kinda tells the story?
     
  14. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Yes Iran's nuclear program and regional ambitions are a serious concern, but there are plenty of respectful, non-partisan ways to deliver that message without insulting the President of the US. The fact that Netanyahu is stalling any possible progress towards a peaceful resolution of the Palestinian conflict makes him an ever increasing liability rather than an asset. Blank cheque US support for Israel deeply damages its political, economic and military relations with other countries in the Middle East, and incites anti-US sentiments and terrorism in response, so you need to weigh that against any benefits that might come from continued US support.

    Netanyahu is a racist, and he isn't looking out for anyone but himself and his far right-wing ultra-nationalist allies. One day he declares himself an ally of the Sunni Arab states when looking for excuses to ramp up the pressure on Iran, the next day he turns his back on these same states and blames them for Middle East terrorism as an excuse to avoid peace talks. Honestly, I think this guy is actually happier with ISIS in place than without it, because it sure provides him with a lot of convenient propaganda at a time when he's starting to really feel the heat on the international stage, and they're a great distraction for his other regional enemies. I had hoped the US would be able to twist this guy's arm enough to force him into making serious concessions, but (as many rightly feared from the start), his strategy all along has been to mumble the bare minimum required to appease Israel's international allies, while stalling, delaying and backtracking on his commitments as much as possible and waiting for the US to elect a white president.
     
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  15. Bells Staff Member

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    It's funny you should say that..

    A pro-Likud campaign phone call seeking to get out the vote among supporters referred to the US President as "Hussein Obama."

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and US President Barack Obama have had a notoriously tense relationship. The relationship hit its nadir two weeks ago when Netanyahu, at the invitation of Republican House Speaker John Boehner, delivered an address to a joint meeting of Congress raising concerns over a possible Iran deal that Obama, a Democrat, is negotiating.

    In the phone call, made to a Jerusalem Post reporter, the campaigner warned that polls put Likud close to the Zionist Union, and failure of Likud supporters to vote in Tuesday's election could end in a government led by the competing party's leaders Isaac Herzog and Tzipi Livni.

    The campaigner then said that voters should remember that "Hussein Obama" is in the White House and only a strong Likud could stand up to him before asking whether "we can count on you for your support on election day."

    When told that referring to the US President as "Hussein Obama" was insulting, the caller responded, "Why?"

    The use of Obama's middle name in the US has been politically contentious, with Obama supporters accusing detractors of using it to raise questions about his religion, foment distrust, and highlight his "otherness."

    It remains unclear if the call was an official Likud call or whether the caller was precisely following the script. A Likud spokeswoman said she would look into the matter, but has not yet responded, and stopped answering phone calls seeking further clarification
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    I am going to bet that they don't get back to him on that one..

    However, this did make me chuckle.. The right in Israel held a political rally and Netanyahu gave his usual 'everyone hates us and only I can save us' type speeches that he is famous for..

    Because of the political nature of the rally, titled "United for the Land of Israel," and its proximity to the elections on Tuesday, the Central Election Committee barred the use of public money to fund it and barred singer Amir Benayoun, along with any other artist, of performing.

    This led Economy Minister Naftali Bennett (Bayit Yehudi) to take out a guitar, declare that the "Central Election Committee will not silence us," and sing a rendition of "Jerusalem of Gold" off-key."You don't have to choose between right-wing and social. The right is social. It lowered the cost of living by 5 percent," said Bennett
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    Election campaigns make for the best comedy sometimes.

    The fact that he used the parts of his speech in Congress in his election ads shows that he was using the US to try to give support to his lagging poll numbers at home. After all, nothing buys more votes like scaring the populace to death and I would imagine, he is probably using that speech in that political ad to support his claims of how he will stand up to the US and how he once claims, he can make the US move where he wants it to move to.
     
  16. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Well if the caller's not following the Likud script, you certainly won't hear about Netanyahu condemning them in the national media. For that matter, I can't recall him even condemning members of his own government for racist comments about Obama or Arabs. I guess Netanyahu thinks America hasn't changed since he lived there in the 80's, or that Israel can produce all the goods and resources it needs for a modern economy on the tiny strip of land it inhabits. Maybe he's genuinely expecting the messiah to show up the day the White House door slams in his face, and that's why he's doing his best to make it happen.

    Anyhow, the good news is Israel is still a democracy for the time being, the moderates are leading the wingnuts in the polls, and Israel's Arab parties are finally united and looking to make a significant impact on the next government.
     
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  17. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    I stated ARABIC countries didn't like America if you would reread my post again.

    Israel was asked by Congress to speak before it therefore it had the right to state what it did. Congress is the appropriate body to speak to.

    It would look to me that ISIS is a starter of conflict as well as Syria at this moment with other countries there getting involved as well. It isn't Israel's fault of the ISIS terror organization nor Syria's internal conflict. There won't be peace over there for a very long time due to all of the conflicts in that region.
     
  18. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    It seems that a republican inviting Netanyahu to speak before the house, and then the "letter" to Iran are just republicans pandering to the pro-Israeli lobbyists.

    Is that all they got?
     
  19. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    I suggest you reread your post. My response was in reference your clearly written claim, "Seems a rather odd statement seeing as how Israel is about the only country that isn't against America and that has a democratic form of government." You said nothing about Arab states.
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/netanyahu-sux.145204/page-2#post-3284350

    You went on to say, Iran shouldn't be trusted because "it" presumably Iran wants to dominate and control other countries. But that has nothing to do with your assertion that the Israel is about the only country that isn't against America. You are either being dishonest or ignorant or some combination thereof.

    "True it has been at odds with America before but both countries have worked together to patch the strained relationship. Israel is only telling America that Iran shouldn't be trusted with any nuclear program for it, like other Arab countries, wants to dominate and eventually capture other countries that are against it including Israel. I think that he is right in expressing his opinion for he is not only looking out for Israel but for the entire Arabic area over there." - Cosmictraveler


    Wisdom is being able to discern when it is appropriate to exercise your rights and when it is not. Yahu could have easily declined rather than inserting himself and Israel squarely into American politics. My guess is Israel will one day rue the day Yahu inserted Israel into American politics. Until now, Israel has enjoyed unequivocal support from both parties. Yahu's recent actions may well fracture that unified support going forward.

    I don't recall anyone ever saying Israel was responsible for ISIS or for Syria. The issue was Iran. Remember? What Yahu and his Republican comrades in Congress are advocating for Iranian capitulation and submission or war. Iran has shown no interest in capitulation and submission. Remember, this is the nation which sent its children in to battle with Saddam's troops with no guns, and no training, to blow up mines and deplete Saddam's bullets - basically suicide attacks. What Obama is trying to do along with many other countries is to negotiate a peaceful settlement which would prevent Iraq from attaining nuclear weapons. One of the sticking points has been and continues to be is verification and transparency. Obama and the other countries involved may not be successful. But it is worth a try.

    It's funny, you Republican like to complain about government spending, but you have absolutely to qualms about spending on wars. There cannot be enough wars or you guys and hey, you want to spend the money on your wars but you don't want to pay for your wars.
     
  20. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Israel asked to speak not the other way around.
     
  21. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    And you have some proof of that assertion? The invitation to speak before Congress preceded Yahu's acceptance of the invitation. You seem to be contradicting yourself.
     
  22. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    It works both ways. Netanyahu was very concerned about the "deal" the USA was trying to broker and was wanting to talk to Congress about that subject. He talked to members of Congress about what he was worried about before Congress allowed him to be asked to speak. If Congress didn't know he wanted to speak then they wouldn't have asked him because historically no one has spoken before Congress 3 times except Churchill. It is just common sense that you need to let others know what you want or you won't ever get it.
     
  23. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    That isn’t the proof which was requested. Further, Yahu may have been concerned and maybe not. Perhaps, Yahu was more concerned about his political skin than that of his countrymen or anyone else for that matter. And it doesn’t change the fact that Yahu’s peace record is atrocious. Yahu has done nothing to advance peace.

    The fact is there are really only two solutions here, a peaceful settlement or war. Obama and many other nations are negotiating with Iran for a peaceful settlement. Yahu and his Republican friends in Congress have made a peaceful settlement much less likely. You Republicans love to send money fighting wars, but you don’t like paying for those wars when it hits their pocketbooks.
     

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