Psychology of Conspiracy Theorists

Discussion in 'Conspiracies' started by James R, Feb 18, 2015.

  1. Bells Staff Member

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    You've been watching too many movies.

    They operated, terrorised, whipped and lynched people, shot people, patrolled the streets with burning crosses in plain view. That's why everyone knew who they were and what they were doing and why.

    The way you are carrying on, would make people believe that no one knew who and what they were. Their cross burnings, their shooting at people's houses, walking up and down the streets screaming abuse at people, their dragging women from cars or their homes and whipping them for behaving improperly.. It wasn't done in secret. They did it all openly to set examples and to further perpetuate the climate of fear.

    Have you ever read the stories about Rosa Parks? How as a child, she used to sit with her Grandfather as the Klan patrolled up and down the streets at night, making sure everyone knew they were there, burning crosses on people's laws and lynching anyone they felt deserved to be lynched, and how her Grandfather used to promise to kill the first one who would come through the door if they ever attacked his house and how they all slept with their clothes on just in case something set off the KKK walking up and down shouting racist slogans outside in the street? It wasn't cloak and dagger, in the dead of night, just appearing and burning crosses, people and churches. The Klan fed on and were strengthened by the fear they instilled by constantly terrorising blacks, Jews, Catholics and anyone who was not one of them.

    Rosa Parks remembered how her grandfather responded to the threat by keeping a double-barreled shotgun close at hand at all times, loaded and ready for the first hooded bigot who trespassed onto his property. "And I remember we talked about how just in case the Klansmen broke into our house, we should go to bed with our clothes on so we would be ready to run if we had to," she added. "I can remember my grandfather saying, 'I don't know how long I would last if they came breaking in here, but I'm getting the first one who comes through the door.'"

    It is heartbreaking to think of any child having youth's innocence shattered by the prospect of torture and death at the hands of jackbooted Nazis or hooded Klansmen. Yet it was from that prospect that young Rosa McCauley learned it wasn't enough to just "turn a cheek" in Christian submission when one's very life was at stake. So every night, as her grandfather slept in a rocking chair by the fireplace with his shotgun in his lap, Rosa curled up on the floor beside him, ready to spring to the defense of her home. "I remember thinking that whatever happened, I wanted to see it," Parks explained decades later. "I wanted to see him shoot that gun."

    Fortunately, although the Klan used to parade up and down the road in front of the Edwards's house, they never attacked, and unlike Malcolm X in his autobiography, Parks never felt the need to fictionalize a direct showdown with them.


    They made their presence known, for obvious reasons. And those reasons were very well noticed by a young Rosa. It was specifically to terrorise and harass those the KKK hated. They didn't hide. They committed their crimes in the open, for all to see, as an example of their brutality. Everyone knew what they were doing and the reason for that is simple and is demonstrated by Rosa's Grandfather.. To cause terror and fear 24/7. It wasn't all nice and play time during daylight hours and then have "ghosts" wandering the woods silently. They did it openly to make sure blacks remembered their place.
     
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  3. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    LOL! Your own quote said Rosa Park's family would go to bed with their clothes on to be ready to flee. That means the KKK threatened them AT night. With their hoods on. Without being identified. And without advanced notice. Not in broad daylight. Such was the secrecy of the KKK and its method of getting away with many atrocities that could be traced to noone. They were a secret organization of secret members who accomplished things in secret when nobody was awake. And that's the very definition of conspiracy.

    "Starting as a largely recreational group, the Klan soon turned to intimidating newly freed African Americans. Riding at night, the Klan terrorized and sometimes murdered those it opposed. Members adopted a hooded white costume—a guise intended to represent the ghosts of the Confederate dead—to avoid identification and to frighten victims during nighttime raids."===http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Ku Klux Klan'

    "But at some point in early 1866 the Club, enlarged with new members from nearby towns, began to have a chilling effect on local blacks. The intimidating night rides were soon the centerpiece of the hooded order: bands of white-sheeted ghouls paid late night visits to black homes, admonishing the terrified occupants to behave themselves and threatening more visits if they didn't. It didn't take long for the threats to be converted into violence against blacks who insisted on exercising their new rights and freedom."===http://www.angelfire.com/tx4/thedoc/kkk.html
     
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  5. Bells Staff Member

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    Unless you are a 12 year old girl who is using social media to communicate, this is getting a tad sad..

    Never said this was not the case.

    The point, that you keep missing, is that the KKK never made their movements and their aims secret. Hence why they would parade all over the place and hence why their were bold and very open about what they were doing and why.

    For example, burning a giant bloody cross on someone's front lawn was never a secretive or quiet in the dead of night act so that no one could see or know about. It was giant, bold and loud so that everyone would know about it.

    Get it now?

    When they would drag someone from their house to whip and then lynch them on their front lawn or even in parks in town, it wasn't done quietly and silently. They did these things to set an example and to terrify people.

    What?

    They got away with it because half the time, police officers and local sheriffs were part of the Klan. As were judges and lawyers and religious ministers.

    That is why few people spoke up against them.

    It wasn't a conspiracy. Everyone knew what they wanted and were about and how they went about their business. Because they made sure everyone knew as it was their way of intimidating everyone. They never hid their aims and what they intended or wanted.

    If it was a conspiracy, no one would know what they wanted or planned. When they patrolled up and down the streets at night with their burning torches and burning crosses, people, homes, businesses and churches and lynching and whipping people, their intentions were clear and their aims were clear. When they put up posters about who they were and what they wanted.

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    Such posters were around everywhere. They were not secret.

    Nor were the lynchings secret or done privately. They attracted large crowds.

    You also have to realise that lynching was part of society back then. When hundreds gathered to lynch Mary Turner and cut her baby from her belly and stomp on it after it fell to the ground from where she was hanging and burning, it wasn't secret. It was done in the open for all to see. Hundreds of people, including women and children, were there to watch.

    Lynching was well known form of punishment and they made sure that black people and anyone who opposed them knew what was in store for them if they spoke out against them. And they did it very openly.
     
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  7. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Nope..that's why they wore the hoods and performed their surprise visits late at night. So nobody could identify them. And people rarely did. That's because they were a secret organization that planned in secret and committed their atrocities in secret late at night. That's what a conspiracy is. People who plot and plan evil or unlawful things against other people in secret. Remember that definition again? That's what the KKK did.

    "conspiracy:
    noun, plural conspiracies.
    1. the act of conspiring.
    2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
    3.a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose."===http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conspiracy

    Oh and FYI, Mary Turner wasn't murdered by the KKK. She was murdered by a local white mob, which in fact is also a conspiracy. You're twisting history now into something that never happened. Not every "open" mob lynching was a KKK lynching.

    It was done out in the woods late at night. In secret. Not in the open daylight and in public. You're twisting history again.
     
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  8. Bells Staff Member

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    They didn't need to identify them.

    They didn't commit their crimes in secret. Everyone knew what they were doing and where.

    Learn to read. Never said it was a KKK lynching. I clearly said that lynching was a part of society back then and lynchings attracted large crowds.

    As it did with Mary Turner's lynching and murder.

    Sadly, I am not twisting history MR.

    History documents the lynchings all too well, with photos, eyewitness testimony and news articles and posters from the KKK about what black people could expect if they stepped out of bounds. What they were and stood for and what their aims were, were never secret MR. Everyone knew what their trademarks were and what kinds of crimes they committed. No one who saw a burning cross on a person's lawn thought it was the local baking group, everyone knew who it was who was doing it.

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    They even posed with some of their victims and took photos, with faces fully uncovered.

    You are arguing something that is frankly, reprehensible because you are rewriting history to suit your personal narrative of what a "conspiracy theorist" is.
     
  9. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Nope..you're now trying to change the goal posts from the KKK to all mob lynchings to prove the KKK wasn't a conspiracy. That doesn't even make sense. That mobs lynched blacks says nothing about how the KKK lynched them, which was always in secret and at night. Everybody knows the KKK conspired against blacks and whites and Catholics and Jews. They fit the definition of conspiracy given. Here it is again since you seem to lose track of it so much:

    "conspiracy:
    noun, plural conspiracies.
    1. the act of conspiring.
    2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
    3.a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose."===http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conspiracy

    The KKK was a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, OR evil purpose. Any one of those see? But we all know the KKK made their evil and unlawful plans in secret and kept themselves from being identified. Conspiracy again. Big ass evil secret conspiracy. It can't be denied. You can't change history no matter how hard you try.

    "Terrorism spread, until during the political campaign which preceded the 1868 presidential election, 2,000 persons were killed and injured in Louisiana by Ku-Klux Klansmen, who rode at night, disguised as freebooters, and according to James G. Blaine, defeated candidate for the presidency at a later date, hesitated at no cruelty.

    In the north, in the years immediately after the civil war, the original Ku-Klux Klan was called a conspiracy."
    ===http://www.gutenberg.org/files/35976/35976-h/35976-h.htm

    "Federal recognition that the Invisible Empire, whether it was the original Klan or not, was everywhere a real empire came in the spring of 1871, when a senate committee presented majority and minority reports on the result of its investigations of the white man's will to rule against the freedmen's militia in the south.

    The majority report found that the Ku-Klux Klan was a criminal conspiracy of a distinctly political nature against the laws and against the colored citizens."
    ===http://www.gutenberg.org/files/35976/35976-h/35976-h.htm
     
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  10. Bells Staff Member

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    Wrong. It was to show that lynching was not uncommon and the KKK simply adopted what was commonly done and also to explain that such lynchings were never done in secret, nor were the KKK lynchings secret. In fact, the KKK members were involved with many such public lynchings.

    For example, Charley Guthrie and others were a member of the KKK and he was involved in the lynching of Laura and LD Nelson. Guthrie's son later wrote about the lynching and his own brother even joked about his having taken part in it.

    And really MR, can you stop spamming that one definition, I have lost count of the amount of times you have copied and pasted it in this thread. Everyone knows what a conspiracy means. I get it, you are proud of your copy and pasting abilities and wish to keep reminding us of how good you are at doing it by spamming the same thing over and over again, but you can stop now.

    Had their plans been secret, had their aims and what they were pushing for been kept secret, had they not put up posters advertising of their aims and their principles, had they not marched down the streets at night with flaming torches screaming out racist slogans to blacks, Jews, Catholics, Republicans and other minorities, had they not taken to lynching people in visible areas, had they not set fire to giant torches in front of people's houses or held town meetings to detail what their plans were and what their aims were, burnt down buildings and threatening people openly.. You might have had a point that it was all so secret.

    But they did everything openly. They killed people openly, as they burnt crosses openly.

    Everyone knew who they were and what they stood for, what they looked like and what they did. Everyone knew they existed and everyone knew where they existed (they made it pretty obvious).

    Did they cover up their crimes? No. They didn't. Did they cover up and hide their burning of crosses? No, obviously they did not. Did they hide how they operate in towns, and did they hide their advertisement advertising about where to contact the local chapters and how and what they stood for and what their aims were? No, they did not. Was their persecution of blacks, Jews, Catholics, Republicans and other minorities done in secret? Burning crosses, threatening letters and posters says no.. They did all of this openly.

    Get it now?

    They did not act or commit crimes in secret.
     
  11. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Doesn't matter. As long as they made secret plans against people that were unlawful or evil they fit the definition of conspiracy. It doesn't matter whether the acts were known or not. It doesn't even matter if people knew the KKK did it. All that is required is that 2 or more people secretly plot against people to perform evil or unlawful acts. That's it! And that's a conspiracy. The Senate even called the KKK "a political conspiracy". Such is the record of history. Deal with it.

    "The Republican who framed the KuKluxKlan Act intended it to provide a federal remedy for private conspiracies of the sort practiced by the KKK against African Americans and others."===http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Ku Klux Klan Act

    I am supporting my claims with documented information. That's what I'm doing to avoid being banned again. If you have something against this, then change sci forum rules.
     
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  12. Bells Staff Member

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    They weren't a secret organisation. They were pretty open about what their aims and plans were and how they intended to carry them out. From warning posters and letters to people they really hated and threatened by telling them they were watching them - all as part of the intimidation tactics they employed, to the burning crosses on people's lawns as a way of further warning. Their plans, aims, actions and crimes were not small whispers, but their standing on the tallest hill in town with a megaphone and screaming into it so everyone would know. Everyone knew when there was a Klan group in town, because they made themselves known and seen. Hence the parades at night, the flaming torches, the abuse and intimidation, threats, violence and murders. It wasn't done in secret. The point was to do it in the open to terrify the people they hated.

    And continually spamming by posting the exact same quote over and over again is not you supporting your argument. It's just you spamming the exact same quote and link over and over again.
     
  13. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I can quote whatever I like as many times as I wish until you get this. A conspiracy is when 2 or more people plot evil or unlawful actions against others. That's what a conspiracy is. Period. For you to claim otherwise is disingenuous. You know that's the definition. And you know that's what Nazis did to Jews, the KKK did to black people, and homophobes did and still do to gay people. They formed secret plots against people that wrecked their lives and violated their rights as free citizens. They were all examples of conspiracies. Quit arguing against this basic fact. You're only embarrassing yourself here.
     
  14. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    "Ku Klux Klan"
    [kluhks klan]

    "1. a secret organization in the southern U.S., active for several years after the Civil War, which aimed to suppress the newly acquired powers of blacks and to oppose carpetbaggers from the North, and which was responsible for many lawless and violent proceedings.

    2. Official name Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. a secret organization inspired by the former, founded in 1915 and active in the southern and other parts of the U.S., directed against blacks, Catholics, Jews, and the foreign-born."

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ku klux klan

    "The civil rights movement of the 1960s saw a surge of local Klan activity across the South, including the bombings, beatings and shootings of black and white activists. These actions, carried out in secret but apparently the work of local Klansmen, outraged the nation and helped win support for the civil rights cause."===http://www.history.com/topics/ku-klux-klan
     
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  15. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    So? You can find anything on the 'net to support your position, no matter how extreme or just plain wrong it is.

    Ask anyone from the deep south how "secret" the Klan is. For that matter, ask folks in Connecticut and Illinois the same question, and stop with the prima donna crap.
     
  16. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Thus from the Magical dictionary:

    The mob - a conspiracy.
    The IRS - a conspiracy.
    Any crime involving 2 or more people - a conspiracy.
    Any government - a conspiracy.

    Lots of conspiracies out there.
     
  17. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Is that what I said? Let's see:

    "A conspiracy is when 2 or more people plot evil or unlawful actions against others. That's what a conspiracy is."

    "Conspiracy is a consultation or agreement between two or more persons, either falsely to accuse another of a crime punishable by law; or wrongfully to injure or prejudice a third person, or any body of men, in any manner; or to commit any offense punishable by law; or to do any act with intent to prevent the course of justice; or to effect a legal purpose with a corrupt intent, or by improper means."===

    Law Dictionary: What is CONSPIRACY? definition of CONSPIRACY (Black's Law Dictionary)
     
  18. Bells Staff Member

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    Oh, I got it.

    You are still wrong.

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    Then you have clearly never handed in a tax return or had to deal with the tax department of your country... I have lost count of the amount of people who believe the tax department is conspiring against them in some way, shape or form.

    There are people who see conspiracies in everything, from schools and how they teach children, to the local doctor's office to even the local police station.
     
  19. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Sign #7 that you are losing an Internet argument - you search the Internet carefully for definitions of words that support your premise.
     
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  21. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Good Friday is a conspiracy, too!
     
  22. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    Good is a conspiracy. Most folks don't see any of it for their entire lives.

    I maintain that it must exist, though.
     
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    I'm cross-posting this here, because this was the discussion that ultimately started this thread.

    Here's a death, from measles, in a first-world country (Germany) with access to modern health-care: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31585047

    There, as I have stated repeatedly, is your threat.
    regardless of whether or not the disease was contracted from someone who was unvaccinated the rate of vaccination needs to stay above 94% or 95% otherwise herd immunity begins to break down, out-breaks become more common and (obviously) as a consequence of that, we begin to see an increasing number of deaths.
     

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