I just was watching Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas on IFC, pretty good movie. Shook up my belief system pretty bad. Made me see the problems in the world more clearly and acutely. I don't do illegal drugs, it is stupid to, but the movie did make me think about things. People use drugs out of bad judgement, although the junkie has him/herself fooled that he/she is in control and those stupid outsiders don't know what its really all about and blah, blah, blah. Maybe I am just too conservative as some people on this site have said, but I don't think they really know me. I am around to enjoy my life, Layne Staley is dead. But what does this have to do with music? Well I have a new philosophy on music. Music is the devil. You have heard this a million times. People have said that rock and roll is the devil, heavy metal is the devil, even poor old Elvis, rest in peace, was considered by some (usually straight laced parents) as the devil. But you have probably never thought about it before. When I was into rock and roll and heavy metal I thought people that said that were ignornant. Now I see they are right. Music is the devil and is quite possibly a neccessary evil. My cause in life, abolish music. With music you can't be free, music is for slaves and peasants. Music is mind control. Think about who makes music, narcissistic personality types who sniff coke and own alot more crap than you. Thats who you are learning from. Sure Pink Floyd said "we don't need no education" but they were rich, you people are not. But what is so bad about music? It's dirt. We all have our afflictions and addictions. Music is or was my addiction, I am giving it up. It is poison. It's killing me. I am dropping it, even in my car. And don't bring your dirt home to your parents, family, house, wife, kids, friends, or you will be wronging them. That includes your drugs, your music, your whores, your problems, keep those for the seedy part of town or the places were they will be accepted. Don't pollute your home, your home is sacred. Anyway, I sound crazy, but I am really not, f' it. I don't want to play my guitar anymore. Just looking at these old hick instruments that I have makes me want to destroy them, maybe thats why Kurt Cobain smashed his guitar after every show. I don't see Mr. Grohl doing that, sell out. Yes, I am not even going to listen to music in the car and I am going to put my "poison" guitars into storage. From now on I enjoy the beauitude of silence or see how long I can last. Music is overrated. Its for pleasure. It is sinful and for sin. I had a friend that once told me that the club we always went to was hell. Its not that important, stop praying to it. Its just sound. Musicians are jokers who are lying to you, thats what "American Pie" by Don Mclean is about: "Satan laughing with delight, The day the music died." Hes not laughing because a "light has been put out" but because he doesn't care. Doesn't anyone see what is happening here. I hope rap puts music to death and then kills itself. Politics is important, thats your future, speak your mind, let people know your rights, improve the world, don't slow down, music is bs, and is wasting your precious time, pretty soon you'll be on the job market and won't know what to do with your self. My advice, forget about entertainment, it doesn't get you anywhere, communicate with people, don't make the mistakes that I have made in my life, entertainment is for losers and for the herd. Be a real man or woman stick up for your rights and interests in the world, enough hip pop and Sean Paul and going to Creed concerts. Get a life, find your mind, f' this frivolous crap. regards, a very sober, non-drugged, realistic, smart, sane, fredx
Wow, this is even more bizzare than your usual ranting. You're lumping drug users in with drug abusers. I have absolutely no respect for the pathetic fools who get hooked and stay hooked - however, occasional use is good and well. I only sacrifice small mammels to my favorite artists Music is hardly "entertainment". If you just listen to music to "pass the time" between going to your wage-slave job and fucking your Martha-Stewart-wannabe whore of a housewife. Music is a dedication, a philosophy, a state of mind. It's not a fucking commodity. Who the fuck listens to that shit anyway?
thanks for having the balls to respond xev.... It is bizarre thats the cool thing about it. drug user, abuser, your picking nits again. you know I own a hamster, that was mean, unnecessary and uncalled for. "Music is a dedication, a philosophy, a state of mind. It's not a fucking commodity." who fills your head up with this kind of nonsense, its not thought, its regurgitation, its cleverness, it's something, it's not genuine. Do you ever stop and listen to yourself Xev, you are full of hot air. In other words, your an a**hole, which means I respect you as I would respect a man and thats my chauvanistic way of paying you a compliment. Goodnight. Also, you have a point, who listens to that sh** anyway? Alot of assholes probably. Okay, I mean any music in general if that better suits you.
Not really. A user is someone who uses drugs, an addict is someone who is used by them. There's all the difference in the world. So would be a lewd and obscene suggestion about why you own a hamster and what you do with it. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! The nice young men in their clean white coats. I mean bullshit if you can't rebut my point. Sure, some people think music is just confined to going to the fucking store and picking up an album by whatever stupid "entertainer" is currently popular - but I don't. Come to think of it, my reply is getting as stupid as your argument. Whatever. You say that music is just entertainment - given your knowledge of music, I'm not suprised. If all you listen to is manufactured mainstream crap, all you're going to think of is manufactured mainstream crap. You want to be a slave to the 'burbs, fine by me. As Sacher-Masoch says: "True artistry cannot flourish within the narrow confines of bourgeois life" And that's what it really boils down to, isn't it? Whether you see music as "entertainment" or as art. I'm going to go "entertain" myself with the Kreutzer sonata. Perchance it'll damn my black little soul - if not, another listen to "Boneless Christian" should do it.
mmm..people were doing heroin/coke and smoking hash before rock and roll and even jazz. Blah, blah, blah (I'm bored with what Ive just written) What I'm saying is that you dont need music to get high. Ask any CEO. If you see r&r as a form of slavery and want to give it up- umm..o.k. Btw, "Fear and Loathing" the movie is a joke.. read the book.
About Dave Grohl- Kurt had no problem smashing a $250 made in japan strat or a pawnshop special. His favorite guitars were never smashed on stage. Grohl uses high dollar Gibson's so I can understand why he doesnt do something stupid.
I never... actually came out and said that I think that music is just entertainment, but actually, yeah it is, what the hell do you think it is, an expression of your soul, yeeeee!, sentimental woman, music is for sentimental people, remember when you accused me of being sentimental that time, well maybe you are right, but you are being sentimental for liking music. But sentimentality is a woman's thing and so is music. Why is music so important, its not money, it won't help you survive another day. Its entertainment, a luxury and as such you don't need it. If it never came to be you would have never noticed it. What if no one ever had the urge to bust out a note? Would the world be worse for the wear? You people are young yet, you don't know what I am talking about, one day you will. Also, I know alot about music, you all just asked me about crap independent music which I see as really beneath me. And I don't only know about mainstream music, alot of the stuff I used to like definitely was not mainstream, but even if I was could you really judge me? I think people that use drugs listen to bad music because they don't want to listen to something "real", because the message wouldn't support the theories on life that they hold that allow them to take these drugs. Musicians are drug pushers who want you to take their drugs so you get stoned and become one of them, just like advertisers push their illusions on us, most likely these advertisers don't believe in the illusions themselves, they are just mean corporate a**holes. Oh and Xev, you wouldn't want to do any "gerbiling" with a female gray dwarf hamster, the have the tendency to bite when they feel the least bit threatened, but I am not gay, so I wouldn't do a thing like that anyway. Also, whether Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas is a joke or not, I am not going to waste my time reading crap literature like that, and the movie did make its point. It just goes to show you why I don't trust journalists either, they are swine, story hungry drug whores. As to Mr. Bravos second quote, thats the whole point, worrying about destroying a guitar because of how much money it costs is not rock and roll, you know what fine, you win, Kurt was a sell out too, destroying a crap guitar and keeping the nice one behind stage kinda defeats the nihilistic destruction of decadence which is what the act of destroying the guitar is supposed to represent. I guess rock and roll stars are as conformist as anyone else.
i am not trying to get caught... up so much in good or bad, read this post over again for the answer to your question.
a few reasons... It was actually because silence is so much more pure than noise and I like to be at peace with myself and my surrounding environment. Music, even meditational or relaxing music, doesn't really induce a mindset of peace. Every piece of music embodies it's own idea so no matter how beautiful it is, its still noise and is not the best way to induce inner peace. Nature's sounds are innocent, they cannot be helped without killing or destroying nature, or living in a complete bubble, and they are spontaneous, so as such they need to be forgiven. However, in reality they are actually necessary because pure silence isn't "pure" or good either and it is more like Heidegger's "nothing". We humans can neither be all or nothing, or completely pure or evil. Music is the devil's handiwork which is why it is so utilized in the game of romance, to produce the "seed" or life. Some people think that people are inherently good, others think they are inherently evil, I guess it depends on the person, but it can not be doubted that were life is concerned "suffering" is always a factor, and suffering from the standpoint of both modern and ancient eyes is something that should be avoided. Socrates on the topic said, "Also, I have never been accustomed to think that I deserve to suffer any harm" (of course I am taking this from "the Aplology" and quite out of context, but it has always been a statement that has hit me rather strange and as if it was itself out of context in its context). Music is the art of expressing suffering through tones and melodies and as such it is mostly a peasant's art. The expressing of joy through music since time immemorial as in some forms of rock and classical religious music, has not been convincingly authentic and most often it is without real depth. The music we listen to today has been most inspired if not birthed by Greek tragedy in form and content, and you can hear the influence if you listen hard enough for the "metaphorical" and "ghostly" ancient voices. Music is the art of pain and we all strive for a life without pain no matter how much we think we deserve it and try to inflict it on ourselves with our "masochistic" tendencies. But don't get me wrong here, I am not saying that pain is bad, it very well might be necessary. Anyway, in the words of DMX, "to live is to suffer, to survive is to find meaning in the suffering." (from the song "Slippin") As such, music is not necessary to live.
music has been a human form of expression for centuries. what you say fredx of music not being neccessary to live is subjective. for me personally i can survive without music, though it would be boring. however for others, for eg. musicians--- their life is music. you're making a HUGE assumption when you call ALL musicians sell outs. you accusse dave grohl of being a sell out because he dosen't want to smash his guitar. you say he shouldn't care about that. maybe he values money. just because you have piles of cash dosen't mean you have to just waste it all on irrelevant expenses. saving an unneccessary expense is being a sell out? i know soo many musicians who are really amazing. my guitar teacher is soo amazing on the guitar....he can play loads of music better than many of the bands i've heard. yet in india there's not record company interest in rock music, so he's thinking about moving to the US or the UK for making an album. is he a sell out? and just because a musician is rich does not mean he's a sel out. they shoulod be appreciated, they're living comfortably doing what they love, making people's lives a bit happier, or a bit cooler for a few minutes. a case of sour grapes i would say.
in response... "you're making a HUGE assumption when you call ALL musicians sell outs." I never said that all musicians are sell-outs. "a case of sour grapes i would say." You know nothing about me.
I would think that Dave Grohl doesnt smash his guitar because (1) He likes the guitar and (2) what's the point? It's old news..a dumb trick when Townshend did it in 1964. I understand (and agree) with what you said about the sound of silence being good for relaxation, meditation and so on. An artist that "sells out"? Who cares.
I must say that this is beyond stupid. This is of course just an opinnion like yours Fredx, and I would say don't impose it on others. Not that there is a risk that anyone would be swayed by this.Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! oh well I guess you have the right of free speach.
Dave Grohl is lame... Kurt would be rolling over in his grave to see what such an opportunist has done to use Kurt's talent and fame to get rich and popular. He was a cool drummer, now he's a flakey frontman. and... "oh well I guess you have the right of free speach." I damn well do, don't I.
Fredx dude...i wonder about your mental health sometimes. Ok so you hate music - give it up but why are you telling others too. Seriously what is it with you fanatic types?Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Oh!!!! Xev i listen to Sean Paul and Hip Hop....sure it's nothing more than pointless party music...(Sean Paul anyway) but many people like you and others who hate hip hop solely for it's image forget that their is a good side to it and a bad side. Mainstream rap is puke inducing, mind numbing, pointless banter that hardly goes anywhere but the rap that gets overshadowed by this pondscum dribble is the true esscense of what hip hop was about. It represented a heavy political undertone that described the issues that a minority faced....not rhymes about "20 inches dubs". Underground rap is quick paced, on your feet rhymes laiden with intelligence and style. I guess what i am saying is you have to look past the mainstream crapshoot in every genre of music to find the real stars. Excuse me while i listen to Incubus...feel free anyone to hate me or make fun of me because they are too much sell outs for some.....you all bitch and whine while i mellow out to "just a phase".......Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Fred, you're not making your arguments against music look very intelligent if you can't even get the names of the genres right. It's Hip HOP- not "Hip Pop".
well.. my mental health is fine and I am not a fanatic, just keep being a kid and doing what you do and when day you will come to see what I am talking about. One day my "nonsensical" blurbs will just hit you and you'll say wow! I am just loading this crap into your mental database for future use in the event that you actually need it. No harm, no foul. Whereas people that want to brainwash you want you to use their information now. Hows that for an insight. So if you pick on me, you are really misguided, and furthermore I never said that Incubus was bad, they are just not my thing. Finally hip hop or hip pop, not much of a difference if you ask me. I am more of a rap fan personally but I guess I do like things that are considered both rap and hip hop. How's that for a response? Oh and also I never said I hated music, just trying to see through some or all of the sh** the world throws my way, so I don't get beguiled by it. Also, hip-hop gives me the image of a little black girl in the ghetto jumping rope, whereas hip pop might in fact be a better name, because that is what the worst of it has turned into.
??? what i think i've understood from your various ramblings is that you don't have a problem with music per se. more like a problem with pop music obsessed fans. I love Pink Floyd. Not because i think i should get education tips from them. that would make me an idiot. I like how the music sounds. it begins and ends there. why on earth would i think just because i like the sound of someone's music that i now have to take tips on life in general from them. I didn't drop out of school based on some song from The Wall.
