Advise to buy a telescope

Then again we will be saving Earths natural resources a little bit by using the internet for such purposes. We used to ride on a horse but we don't do that any longer. So what's the matter with advancement in technology used by the average citizen?

 

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Grasping at straws there a bit aren't we? The only resources that I'll be using is starlight/Moonlight/reflected Sunlight, just as Galileo did.

 

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i disagree.
there is nothing quite like viewing it for yourself.
the andromeda galaxy is fairly close and can be seen through high quality binoculars.
i remember the images well, they resembled a "flattened" explosion.

 

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So you are trying to change the subject, to Darwin's, I Think that this is where life came from, so it is real, because I wrote it on this piece of paper.

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You are hogging electricity as we converse, not as much as my super chip here, but you are hogging none the less.

 

Evolution is certainly one of the creators best works, as it allows him to continue creating, even as he moves on thru the universe.

 

We have no evidence for any fucking creator....
In fact believing that is a scientific cop out and a comfort ally for those that chose that path.
And I certainly do not object to any religious people following their beliefs, but I do object to religious nuts coming to a science forum and infesting science threads with such nonsense.
And its also a banning offence...You need to remember that.

 

To the OP, you can buy one of the cheaper Celestron Firstar (I think) which is a refractor. It's quick to set-up and can easily see the brighter objects (planets, bright nebula, resolve binary stars,etc).

You will probably be spending a little more but that's the cheapest way to go. You can just get binoculars and see quite a bit. If you live in a dark area you can get a reflector but not for $200 and if you aren't in a dark area there is little point to getting a reflector and they are generally larger and take more time to set up.

The real attraction is to see things for yourself and learn to locate them, see how the patterns change with the passage of time. At that point when you read about cosmology in general it will make more sense and be more interesting.

The images will be much better on the internet of course but that's primarily because you are looking at images rather than real-time views. Both are fun but doing it yourself is much more educational and interesting IMO.

 

Why such vulgarity? Are you unhappy with something? This thread was about telescopes until you said the following, "Or more to the point, it can help lay people like myself, observe the realities of the Universe we belong to, the logic that applies to it being the ultimate free lunch, and the fact that we do not need any deity to explain the obvious wonders that surround us.". I was discussing, the effects of city or suburban lights on backyard telescopes.

So please try to stay on topic from now on.

 

Along with Seattle's advice, and ignoring our God Bothering friend, try recognising the constellations and where and when they arise...the planets, where and when they are visible.
I actually started that way on a four month trip on a Barquentine from Cristobal [Panama] to Sydney over four months, in association with learning celestial navigation...The Orion, and Crux, are just two easily recognisable.

There is also a great Astronomical program out called "Redshift 7" that gives you realistic views of the night sky from any position, on any planet or moon in our solar system, from anytime between 2000BC to 10,000AD.
Also much other info within the program regarding all space shot endeavours both Russian and American.
Can not recommend it highly enough.

 

I don't take kindly to religious zealots with their agenda, coming in and rubbishing accepted science. And it is a banning offence.
Now quit your obvious stupid agenda now, because it really stands out like dogs balls.

 

why worry about it?
i seriously doubt if paddoboy had an original thought in his life, and he doesn't have the guts to stand on his own 2 legs.
so, like i said . . . why worry about it.

 

http://www.redshift-live.com/

 

Why is he allowed to be so vulgar? It's not that I care, but there is just no reason for this? As Spock would say,

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Ahaaa, Our closet Creationist friend has raised his head again!

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you do realize that there is imagining software involved in that image correct ?

 

Yes indeed, I also know that newer scopes use multiple mirrors instead of one big one. Still, you can not do this in your backyard.

 

Perhaps a more relevant question is, why are you being so deceitful, in claiming to offer "advice" based on your mythical beliefs and trying to discourage someone [Saint] who appears truly Interested in learning.
Are you afraid that if he buys a 'scope, and sees the wonders and explanations of the Universe around him, he'll go to your version of the dark side. [where I presumably am in your opinion?]
I'm sure saint will proceed with whatever he is comfortable with and gain as much knowledge as he wishes.

 

not only that but now days you need a camera, computer and soft ware. it's the imagining software that produces such images.
even in laboratory scopes that are meters in size use software imagining. look at past images and comparing them to now days images, it's quite obvious.

 

Yes, it certainly can be expensive!