Nobody's washing my brain baby . I know people who have been active within the PKK personally , UC where I am PKK isnt an illegal organization , unlike it is in ur Turkey . How can u call me rascist ? Just because I dont like STATES who behave like terrorists , killing innocent civillians . Now for the ex-Sovyet muslims (who are the russian turks ?) , how can u say they would be better off with Tussia , who are you to decide for them that when they as a people do not wish to be a part of a minority discriminating oppressive system , they would be better of ? If I am to prejudice and generalize and speculate , I would say this idea of wanting to crave on onto the native state , come along with you as a Jew not moving to Israel . Am I any close ? who the fuck is talking about all these ethnicities , not me . I only care for those who are opressed , and for one to be opressed he self should acknowledged he is . If all ur multi-religious and ethnical Turks are happy in turkey , GREAT . The Kurds are not . Sure man , these people giving their lives to fight ur opression are obviously some wicked and evil organizating out for death and destruction like the satanistic sadists they are , right ? Cause and effect my friend . U know very well of Turkey's crimes against the Kurds , if U r simply denying them I believe we are obviously living in different dimensions from eachother . Sure man , PKK just came out of thin air , no reason whatsoever just the greed to have a state , no need for a state either since Turkey's a paradise , right ? for the 3rd time , TO CREATE A NEW KUWEIT . and is why Turkey needs to give up some land , so the oil can be left alone , so the Kurds can become a mediocre nation , and not a billionbaires nation as a bitch for the USA , giving away Arab oil is if it was christmas .
''Nobody's washing my brain baby . I know people who have been active within the PKK personally , UC where I am PKK isnt an illegal organization , unlike it is in ur Turkey . '' oh, now i see... so, YOU are actually friends with the terrorist organization members, WHO ARE PROVEN TO KILLED 30,000 PEOPLE IN TURKEY.. and i am sure PKK DID NOT KILL ONE PERSON IN THE COUNTRY WHERE ITS ACCEPTED AS A POLITICAL PARTY.. if they would kill ONE person- would that government still NOT consider them as terrorist organization? ok, if you are believing people CAN kill innocent people because of their own wishes come true- and these people CAN be babies, school age children as well as pregnant women, 30,000 of them, i have nothing to say.. go and continue to support your friends, putting more bombs to schools, what a great world.. and yes, you are RACIST.. you are dreaming about other turks, discriminized Kurdish- turks, out of blue.. i just gave you that percentage to show you how cosmopolit Turkey is and there was NEVER BEEN a discrimination towards any ethnicity.. even when ottaman empire exists, middle east was living in harmony and peace..today even british historians accepts that fact..again, i am NOT supporting ottomans, just giving an example.. and i am asking you, WHO was acting wrong towards Kurdish-turks in that diverce etnicity? and i think you did not read my posting well, i already mentioned other turks are NOT living happily in turkey as well.. not only kurdish-turks.. and believe me, other turks are tortured more by government since they DO NOT HAVE AN UNCLE WHO PROTECTS THEM.. when a normal criminal get easily death penalty , the PKK leader OCALAN, who accepts he gave the death orders of 30,000 people is still alive, living in a very comfortable 2 rooms suit and the government CAN NOT give the death penalthy for him.. mothers who lost their kids are suiciding in front of his residency in order to protest this, but he is fine- do not worry.. i am sure, you are just watching ONLY the kurdish-turks prison stories on your media- do not worry, as well as Kurdish ones other turks are having the same punishments from government if they write a book (for ex.) as well.. turkey is a thirld world country, and if we are questioning human rights- NOBODY is happy about the government..Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
when a normal criminal get easily death penalty , the PKK leader OCALAN, who accepts he gave the death orders of 30,000 people is still alive, living in a very comfortable 2 rooms suit and the government CAN NOT give the death penalthy for him.. mothers who lost their kids are suiciding in front of his residency in order to protest this, but he is fine- do not worry.. Err.... there is no death penalty in Turkey. It was still there when Ocalan was captured but not anymore. Its better this way. If Turkey would have executed him he would have been a hero of the Kurds a false hero. We shouldnt also forget the external pressure of Europe, US in this issue.
''u have tanks , arms , organization , they got SHIT ''- i really do not understand how you generalize that way, thats why i am calling you racist.. ''you''- means me? a first generation turk, greek-jew? i noticed, you really do not know what are you talking about..let me make things more clear.. *if somebody borns in turkey, we call him turk, like me, i am turk. *a turkish male HAS TO go to army for 2 years. *a kurdish-turk, since he has born in turkey, has to go to army too.. *soo, he has tanks and etc.. too.. *and a kurdish-turk, if he wants can stay in the army and may become general (there are soo many high ranking Kurdish-turk soldier in the army today), or if he wants he may become president-thats not much easy we have to accept-but not imposible.. *''you? '' *not me.. i am just a jew female.. and if (as you said) sunni muslims are controlling the country, then Kurdsih-turks are advantegous, because they are muslim too.. but thats NOT true- the biggest battle in the country is between muslims and nonmuslims... soo, in this case, me (a nonmuslim) i must be the one who torture to a kurdish-turk, thats really funny... and terrorist, in my vocabulary is the person who can kill innocent/nonaware people for his own wishes, i could not be a terorist, and i noticed that i CAN NOT change anything and i LEFT THE COUNTRY.. now, i can understand Palestanians, and i support them since i know why they become terrorists, BUT SORRY MY FRIEND...I DO - N O T - APPRECIATE THE TERRORISM BY KURDISH-TURKS...because they really HAD no reason to start that..I PERSONALLY LIVED IN KURDISH CITIES WITH KURDISH-TURKS FOR 6 YEARS- they all except how they are USED by others.. i DID not say, ottomans were all good, i said THERE WAS PEACE IN MIDDLE EAST, under their occupation, and even we jews are invited to the occupaid areas and lived happilly..and this peace is disappaered and never reached again after they gone- MIDDLE EAST BECAME THE PLAY GROUND OF EMPERYALIST POWERS-we all know the history.. i WONDER why you are soo HATEFULL towards NONKURDISH-TURKS? of course turkey wants to be accepted by EU, and Europe is USING HIS ARMY anytime they want (NATO), but try to keep him outside the union economically.. its a LONG story- but basically, its all about losing Germany and France their emperyalist powers and their colonies, and now Turkey is a semi-US colony.. you know the tension between US and them.. believe if turkey enters EU, it will be a wealthier and happier country, and your KUrdish-turk friends WILL BE HAPPY too.. try not to be soo racist, try to see the whole picture..
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Are you fucking shitting me here ? How about Ocalan for your Turkish army general ? U simply dont acknowledge your countries racial problems , and after doing so even calling me a racist . It is great that u want unity and everything , hey I want that too , but dont you understand the Kurds do not want this ? Do you know what an immense support there is under the Kurdish people worldwide who have fled your country ? Now you tell me , dont these people , who have been living in their region for centuries (millenia even) , have as much right as any other people of a piece of land they can call their own , where they can identify with some culture/language/tradition they might have , where they can be autonomous and souvereign ? EVERY people are supposed to have these rights , but the Kurds do not ? WHY NOT ? Because YOU dont want them 2 ? Because YOU feel great in your multicutural Turkey , because perhaps you are not treated as they are , perhaps your Jewish anti-zionism has turned into anti-separitism in general , I understand your wish for unity , but unity only when it benefits ALL , not just a few . If I may ask , what language do you speak by Jewish heritage , ordo your parents and ancestors all speak Turkish ? I am wondering just I know very little of Jewish Turks . Actually perhaps religion has become relevant with the Islamists victory , but before they came in power last year or so , Ur state had little to do with religion . I do not know about your muslim-non muslim struggle , governmentally there was not such a thing . Compare it to Ba'ath Iraq and its Christian minority community . Now again I am asking you , are you simply denying here what is going on between the government and the PKK as the direct cause of a struggle the PEOPLE of Kurdistan in Turkey face ? Innocence is mostly unawareness . Ignorance is no excuse . And ur def is common but wrong , terrorism implies something/somebody to apply/create terror to something/somebody else . Now Im sure the ammount of terror your army who is supported by your taxmoney and votes and economic contributing (I assume u are all doing what u do FREELY since u claim democracy , for your case its irellevant because u already admit to side with the government) , brings the Kurds , is alot greater than the terror they make u let go through as some rebel organziation against a goddamn army . And you are telling me these people do not want Kurdistan ? Do these people wish to be called Turks or Kurds ? Now if the deal is that ur pissed because u felt everything was ok , and then they wanted a state and started terrorism........sure , thats all good . What would have happened if you have shown the Kurds U want good for them , and give them land , I mean they're already occuping ur country , they're mostly poor so its not like they're holding ur economy , why cant they have a goddamn peace of land ? No , what do you do......u go out and slaughter them in the name of fighting terrorism . Thats called retalliation , and retalliation is not something that goes in a situation where everything is all good , where just a few are screwing up , where there is no reason . The Turks have SLAUGHTERED people , and not by bombs that hitted civillians as they walk by , no by INDIVIDUAL slaughterings of innocents , OOPS ........that oops alone is enough motive for me if I was a Kurd to have nothing to do with your country ever again . There has never been peace in the middle east , when some oppressing authority wins the battle , resulting in a "stable" situation where authority is respected , for unfree motives , there is NO PEACE . Its like saying....hey , where the Romans occupied there was peace , where the Brits occupied there was peace......etc . And when the occupier leaves people stand against eachother and kill eachother , and because of who ? The Ottoman empire was imperialistic as it was an empire . The Mid East always has been a play for imperialistic powers , The Arabs , The Turks , The Brits , The USA and Jews . I am not I have Non-Kurdish Turkish friends , and I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with their ethnicity . And hey......ur actually being a bit ridiciouless here tending toward this racism idea of your . Let me put it clearly , Ur saying I am against absolutely every Turk that is not Kurd (minority) in your super multi-ethnical/religious Turkey ? If u dont see the problem here , I cant help you . U obviously have no understanding of what racism is . Shit it could have been Putin saying to the Chechnyans : why are u hatefull toward Non-Chechnyan Russians ? Ur mixing things up my friend , confusing oppressor and oppressed , and where the force is at . Well they'll never enter , so forget about it . Im sorry , but its the honest truth .
'' EVERY people are supposed to have these rights , but the Kurds do not ? WHY NOT ? Because YOU dont want them 2 ?'' you really DO NOT know anything.. you just know some PKK-terrorists (probably they escaped from turkey to your country) and you are talking as if kurdish-turks have NOT the same rights that NONkurdish-turks do.. soo listen to me and do not sound that unaware.. KURDISH-TURKS HAVE THE EXACT SAME RIGHTS LIKE ALL THE OTHER ETHNICITY TURKS.. they vote for president, they eat at the same restaurants, they live just like others-if they do not tell their ethnicity, you can not tell ( and you do not think about it) that they are kurdish-turks.. AND WHEN A KURDISH TURK BECOMES 18 YEARS OLD, HE JOINS TO ARMY- LIKE OTHER TURKS.. ITS NOT LIKE THE SITUATION IN ISRAEL AND PALESTANIAN.. KURDISH-TURKS AND NONKURDISH TURKS SERVE IN THE EXACT SAME ARMY.. AND THERE ARE MANY HIGH RANKING KURDISH TURK IN THE TURKISH ARMY. and you are right, OCALAN can NOT be president or general, because a Turk who is proven to be killed innocents can only be criminal (its not ariel shannon's israel-sorry) BECAUSE ONLY SOME OF THE KURDISH-TURKS (LAST POLL SAID ONLY %20- SUPPORTS PKK- MEANING %80 PERCENT KURDISH TURKS ARE NOT TERRORIST AND HAPPY TO LIVE IN TURKEY.. go and search.. talking with terorist kurdish-turks ONLY does NOT show you whole picture.. before you talk about some stuff, you should listen both sides stories.. and i am soo open minded that (as a jew, i am supporting palestanians), i searched a lot about why this %20 became terrorists? because i believe NOBODY puts bombs to his own body and kills himself w/out any reason.. i feel sorry for them as well as i feel sorry for the innocent victims.. and i am telling you-the last time.. THEY CHOOSED TO BECOME TERRORIST NOT BECAUSE GOVERNMENT ACTED THEM DIFFERENT/ THEY WERE LESS TURKISH THEN OTHERS, BUT BECAUSE THEY ARE BRAINWASHED BY IMPERYALIST POWERS FOR YEARS TO DO SO.. THEY BECAME TERRORISTS BECAUSE US WANTS ANOTHER ISRAEL (muslim version of it) IN THAT REGION.. thats all from me.. peace... :m:
Obviously our 2 visions of the conflict stand against eachother , I say that the Kurds are opressed , while U say they're all fine . Now U might say since ur a Turk u have more inside info , but hey all I need is logics . And logics bring to me conclusion that dont go well with yours . All these official "rights" u give me surely mean nothing , I care for what happens to people not imaginary rights they may have . I know its not (yet) like the Israeli-Palestinian situation if we speak of mistreatment , but it will be if there wont be a Kurdistan . What poll was this ? Listen , If indeed it is so that the Kurds dont want Kurdistan , then hey.....its all good . But thats simply not the case , I dont know how its possible that we come up with such different conclusion , if only it isnt for your somehow extreme biasedness . Either this PKK has set up a world conspiracy against the Turks , or ur simply speaking bullshit . And It go for #2 , as you are a state with power and they are SHIT . oh...and not supporting PKK doesnt mean that they are happy in Turkey , Ur making illogical deductions . What part of "I have no-Kurdish Turkish friends" didnt u understand ? Again Im telling you that here in Euro the Turks and Kurds (who support PKK) go along great together . Ur openmindedness is not convincing , because thers a perfectly logical expelnation of your anti-separatism and anti-zionsim , as you are a Jew verry happy with the country you are in , Turkey , and you feel happy to say u r a Turk . Hey there r even Jews who fought along with the nazi's , that had little to do with openmindedness , but personal profit . Zionists where the biggest anti-semites u could find , HATING their own kind because they felt as if this heritage weight toomuch on their shoulders , as they have been hated everywhere just because of their Judaism , they hated the Jews . Good thinking . What about those who became so yesterday ? Perhaps they became terrorists because they had to fled their country as the military destroyd their villages , and killed their family ? lol.......this is funny , not another Israel , another KUWEIT . Look , this is the difference : 1)No influential Kurds in USA , very very many influential Jews in USA 2)No oil in Israel , lots and lots of Iraqi-Kurdistan But the rsult will be an ally who can serve as military basis and in addition can provide cheap oil as well . But now back to Turkey , again I must say how amazing I find you propagating for the Turks , hey even herte in Euro there is ALOT of discriminisation , and you want me to believe its all good in Turkey , everybody's a happy Turk ? Im not buying that . And I have some interesting articles u obviously wouldnt agree with . Now if u are so sure and certain about your case , and if U wish to make another understand your points , because u might feel others have wrong info and u have correct info , please explain how , when , why , with links , documents whatever u need , and refute aspects of the articles Im about to post . And hey......I asked u about your language as a Jew , Im curious , Ive said before I havent spoke to a Turk Jew in my whole life , and in my research of Euro/USA-Jews the ethnicity and tradition of a Turk jew is very interesting . Let me ask you , you are not Ashkenazim are you ? And again ,what language did your jewish heritage give you ? Now back to my articles , perhaps they are biased , its the content that counts . There seemed to be a problem with the articles posted , thus I would hope you will seriously read these next links : http://www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/turkey_background_kurds.htm http://www.diaspora-net.org/Turkey/turkey_despite_ankara.htm According to you my friend , all this must be lies , WHY ?
first of all, i do not want to give info about myself since i already feel not comfi talking about my political believes- i grow up in a thirld world country that you can not talk about that kind of stuff ( not only kurdish ones but nobody can) - so i hope you appreciate.. second, i do not live in turkey right now, and i am not planning to live in the future because of many humanistic and politic reasons..not only towards to me or towards any specific ethnicity (be sure all ethnicities live w/out problem related to their ethnicity, in turkey- only the biggest danger is aggresive muslim and PKK bombs) but because nobody can live fine as a human. i am not telling you the military ( funnily- there are kurdish-turk soldiers in it) is not terrorist hunting right now.. and i believe they are killing many innocents as well.. and i understand, if you are not into terrorism, but if one day they kill your family, you get really angry, and you might become a terrorist for real this time.. and i am very aware of the anti-nonkurdish-turk propoganda in europe. (as well as the armenian) and, i really do not have to spend my time here writing to you about all that shit, if i was not really sure- and feel obligated to let other people know. i am telling you how all this started.. today, the people who make all this kurdish propoganda, provoked Kurds years ago.. do you think in middle east why nobody likes kurds? although they are muslim, why? in syria- they hate kurds, in iraq the same ( iraqi-kurds worked with their enemy-pardon boss- and let nonkurdish-iraqi people die), in turkey they are terrorists (they killed 30,000-and still continue to kill).. why these people are that much hated? they did not like not only turkish government but any other.. i am not telling thats because kurds are bad-evil people (i know soo many of them- they are just like us), i just feel sorry for them.. because they have been choosen years ago. they are just a part of a very important project which started by europe countries (who could not get a piece from sick man's (ottoman empire) middle east land (which has a great strategic value) and now took over by the todays biggest imperialist power-US. you know- there are some presidents worse than others (in turkey non of them was good after ataturk), some sell more from country to fill his own pockets.. and yes, during these politicians days, the military burned more houses under the name of hunting the terrorism.. do you understand? soo, the people- your country for sure- who looks like they are feeling sorry for Kurds and helping the terrorist organizations, showing only bad things happens to Kurds on their media- talking w/ kurdish families and provoking them more to fight for their freedom, ARE THE EXACT SAME ONES WHO PAY TO TURKISH GOVERNMENT TO BURN MORE HOUSES.. because they NEED a kurdistan in that region.. and the kurds are in war for years, thats not easy.. thats really all from me, you listened a nonkurdish-turk's view, just keep in mind that stuff too.. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
my friend there were even jews in nazi uniforms Thank you for the information and your side , but i think we are missing out on things here , and I really thinks it interesting u havent reacted to anything written in those articles , i assume u agree with what they say ? If so , then its clear to me that I am right about the Turkish-Kurdish situation . U have obviously a complete different vision of the situation , one that seems unrealistic to me , and as far as till now u havent been able to prove otherwise . Now for the game being played , ofcourse this whole Kurdistan thing is the toy for the Imperialists , and I have told you before that if only the Turks and others surrounding Kurdistan would become a friend of the Kurds , and not chasing them into the arms of imperialists (already they have been chased into their arms many years now) , then and only then will Kurdistan become a country I am sure no reasonable person has a problem with . But this isnt happening , and we're stuck with a new kuweit .....for sure .
''I really thinks it interesting u havent reacted to anything written in those articles , i assume u agree with what they say ?'' come on you are giving me articles from NY times (one of the most biased media in the world) and another article from American's somewhat.. You can find millions of Kurdish-propoganda on US or europe media.. do you believe everything you read? consequently, we both agree on one thing.. all this kurdish issue is started by imperialist powers on purpose. so today, supporting terrrist organizations to kill more innocents will cause nothing but more pain.. because, a kurdish republic will not take place ( it may cause to the 3rd world war- don't you see all the middle east countries hate terrorist Kurds?) in the middle east.
Oh this is such bullshit . First of all , its not goddamn stalinistic propaganda , biasedness in this level accurs subtle , whitch brings me to a much more important thing : AN ARTICLE IS REFUTED BASED ON ITS CONTENT NOT ITS SOURCE . Now if u dont agree with articles show me why u dont agree , dont bitch on NYtimes because its silly , show me how they twist instead of just stating they do . I know they do , who cares ? Its like cnn , still I whatch it , still it provides information , it just asks for an intellectual approach , u got to decipher some stuff , but its not all bullshit , there are mostly FACTS given , only oftenly in such a way that idiots choose side they wish u to choose . Im no idiot , I dont care for biased sources , they cant fool me . No we dont , because I have said you NO people will just want to become independent like that , there has to be a situation in whitch they dont feel appreciated , respected , treated as equals etc . I recognize and acknowledge the imperialistic factor , but its not like everything started when some guys were brainwashed and pu a bomb , it started when some guys were PISSED about Turkey and put a bomb . Now that people were paying his bomb , etc etc all great , I understand this , but please stop denying the Kurdish situation in Turkey u make it sounds like its paradise on earth for all people , this is bullshit , there's plenty of discrimination in the west , sickening discrimination even , and ur telling me poor turkey is paradise for minorities ? Perhaps they accepted you , that doesnt mean they accept everybody , how about Grey Wolves ? U havent reacted one time when I mentioned their name . And dont worry no ww3 will star because of Kuridstan , we have priorities in the mid-east u know ? If there will be war (eventually there will) , then indeed I see Kurdistan fighting on the wrong side , well Im sorry for them by then but thats life , as they side for money and imperialism , its as representative of money and imperialism they will be treated . I already told you I believe th eonly way to keep the Kurds out of USA , is to accept Kurdistan and relate and connect strong to them , all nations should accept and respect them , perhaps that will not chase them into USA hands , perhaps you dont know it but there is not 1 PKK member that loves USA , like there wasnt 1 Mujahid in the Afghan war that loved USA , people simply use it at their convenience , lets turn that convenie3nce around and we're getting somewhere .
if you still watch CNN, and read NY times (althought you also believe they do not give true information) what can i say? i do not. because like many others (and we discussed it at many topics on this site- probably you did not read) i DO NOT believe there are ANY facts given . even many americans changed their opinions about their media after Iraq war- there were NOthing real about war on them.. soo we are far away from each other.. i believe you said: ''ofcourse this whole Kurdistan thing is the toy for the Imperialists'' . and i said we both agree on this. and you are saying; ''NO'' ????, you made me confused again.. i told you many times Kurdish-turks are exact equal to nonkurdish ones, they are treated exact the same way (except the terorists ones) but you do not believe me.. soo, i do not have anything else to say, keep on believing your terrorist friends.. and they start putting bombs NOT because they treated inequally but because the government could NOT afford many things that they required ( kurdish-educational system was the starting point). and they brainwashed to obtain their goals by terrorism- which was the most unlucky thing happened to them.. "poor turkey is paradise for minorities'' i would not say a paradise, but yes, we minorities live w/out any discrimination even in a muslim country.. ''the only way to keep the Kurds out of USA ''- i did not know that US is trying to keep kurds outside, because all my kurdish-turk friends get their green card in a month just telling that they are kurds who live in turkey- althought it took 2 years for me to get it- althought i am married to a upper class US citizen.. anyway- i just feel sorry for all the middle eastern people who have a very had soo many trouble and pain because of their oil.. i wish the best for kurds, nonkurds, iraqi's, etc..
The armed conflict between government forces and the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) effectively came to an end in 1999, but there were still some clashes between the Turkish army and PKK groups. Repression of political parties and organizations in the mainly Kurdish southeast continued. Numerous representatives of the legal pro-Kurdish People's Democracy Party (HADEP) were arrested and put on trial. People were restricted from publicly expressing their Kurdish identity. * Burhan Koçkar, a HADEP member and municipal police officer in Dogubeyazit in the eastern province of Agri, was shot dead during the night of 31 October by masked special team police officers. They had mistaken his flat for that of his brother Nedim, who was among the 13 HADEP members arrested that night. Burhan Koçkar's relatives and employer rejected claims by the police that he was armed. Some deliberate and arbitrary killings of dissidents were attributed to armed political groups such as the leftist Revolutionary People's Liberation Party-Front (DHKP-C) and the Islamist Hizbullah. * Sait Dönmüs and Mehmet Ali Kaplan were arrested in Diyarbakir on 30 June 2000 on suspicion of supporting the PKK and held at Silvan gendarmerie headquarters for six days before being brought before a prosecutor and released. They were reportedly stripped naked and blindfolded, and were then tortured with electric shocks, beaten and had their testicles squeezed. The following day they were examined at Diyarbakir State Hospital where doctors recorded that their injuries were consistent with torture. After the gendarmes complained about the medical report, the deputy health director attempted to persuade the doctors to change it. When they refused to do this, the gendarmes reportedly destroyed the original report and obtained a substitute which stated that no signs of torture had been found. Following a successful appeal against attempts to prevent prosecution proceedings, the deputy health director was convicted of abuse of his professional role in November 2001, but his sentence was suspended. In a second trial, two gendarmes accused of having tortured Mehmet Ali Kaplan and Sait Dönmüs were acquitted on 27 April 2001. According to the statements of the plaintiffs, the accused were not the officers who had tortured them. The court ruled that the prosecution should reopen the case to identify the perpetrators. http://www.amnestyusa.org/annualreport/
1. To declare the unification of the two [Kurdish] administrations (even if nominally at this point) 2. To declare Kirkuk as the capital of the joint unified government. 3. To agree a timetable to move the government to Kirkuk as soon as possible. 4. To ask Kurdish people everywhere to be vigilant and be prepared to fight for freedom. 5. To declare a three day festival on the occasion of one government in Kirkuk and ask the Kurds for massive END THE OCCUPATION! BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW! FULL RIGHTS FOR THE LONG SUFFERING KURDISH PEOPLE! U.S. And Turkish Forces Out Of Iraqi Kurdistan!
pillow Are you trying to my understanding of matters into the context of NY-Times & CNN ? My view does not depend on how they present , you simply misunderstand the fact that I dont believe what ANYBODY is saying EVER . I make my own facts , everybody is biased , my facts do not depend on neither west propaganda not turkish propaganda nor arab propaganda . Now if u are denying the fact that ANY facts are given by CNN & NYTimes , Im asking you to point me out ALL those lies . Its bullshit what you are saying , ofcourse they give facts , they simply twist them , but that does not mean facts are not being given . So again I ask you , stop refuting the goddamn sources and show me why what they say is false , can you ? No no , this is not what you were saying , do not twist matters , its useless , because I quoted it , and I will again : consequently, we both agree on one thing.. all this kurdish issue is started by imperialist powers on purpose being the toy for and being started by are 2 different things . Its not a matter of who I believe , I dont believe anybody you are all liars for your own goods , that doesnt matter that i can decipher truth from all of you . Till this far who have shown me exactly where your ideas are from , how u reason , what logics there are your claims , its all bullshit , shit I live in EU and here Arabs and muslims are heavily discriminated on certain levels , if I here you its more of a unity in Turkey rather then euro , Im sorry but we both now how full of bullshit you are , we know there are millions of refugees , and stop calling people terrorists or I will start calling you a nazi fascist . U cant back anything up , just saying ..."dont believe those terrorists" . I have seen true emotions , true pictures , true videotapes , its not all fucking fun and games , you just sound like one of them disneyland Israeli's . No there was more dont make it into a "we are great they are terrorists" bullshit . Refute the goddamn articles . "poor Israel is a paradise for arabs" i would not say a paradise,but yes, we minorities live w/out any discrimination even in a jewish country.. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Ur married to a upper class US citizen . Then you have explained me now much more u than u ever could u yiddishe mammie Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! . $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ U so hatefull of kurds , u dont want them get a damn greencard any faster then u did , although u already got one and alreadygot $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ But i wasnt talking about that .....although I now officially declare you included to the target nomination list . http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/doddict/data/t/05277.html Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! No I was talking about keeping the Kurdish leaders out of the hands of Imperialism , by helping them and including them into the region , so that their strategic position and oil is in good hands (well at least better hands than imperialist) . O please miss married to an upperclass IMPERIALIST , Id suggest u just hand over your possesions to nearest FARC distribution centres . We are coming for your cash/house/car/gold/land/or other goods . exactly , etc.....again I suggest u hand over your possesions , we done talking miss......i have researched blablabla , u rich democrat and still misinformed ?????
allahs math. (i am a math. teacher by the way) WHY you are soo hatefull? don't you see the people like you, like your character results in all this trouble in the world? calm down man, relax, smoke or somethin, if smokin is making you that way, then stop, DO NOT smoke, ever.. man, i liked you hate me first; i am a nonkurdish turk, then you made me nazi facist since i am jew, then since i told you upperclass citizen you called me $$$ capitalist whatever- i did not read all of it, pardon me..by the way for your info, by saying upperclass (money does not have any upper value in my vocabullary), i meant well read, but you know the prof.s in any country hardly pays their rents and school debts and lives paycheck to paycheck... and i DO NOT hate kurds- i never said that i hate them (if i did, show me), i just gave you an example how kurds are protected in US. since you told US wants them outside the US. anyway.. if you are thinking, as a person who spent 30 years in middle east i have not seen as pain as a person who lives (how many years?) in a EU country, did, ok.. how can i compete w/you, i gave up.. "poor turkey is paradise for minorities''- was your saying by the way- and i would never tell israel is good place for arabs.. i know israel-palestanian reality very well, but since you are watching CNN or reading NYTimes, its normal for you to be the person as you are.. consider about my advice about relaxing a little bit, we are all human from the same planet and try to be less racist and discriminative.. and do not expect anything from others if you are not acting that way.. peace :m: and spookz, are you reading the news about Kerkuk? the kurds are occupying the whole city, emptying nonkurdish people's home, and settling there with the support that they got from US soldiers?.. you know most of the population in that area is ozbek. what do you thing about it?
If I knew where that idiot Allah Maths lived, and real name, I would pass it onto the authorities as an Al Qaida nut.
cant u even track an IP ? go to www.IfoundAlQaidaTerroristsOnTheWeb.Gov while u at it report : www.hizbollah.org , they're terrorists too right ? my character is war-starting yes , toobad your character is the one financing , supporting etc . Id rather at least be responsible for my own actions , not hide under the name of "peaceful civillian" but in the meantime be responsible for everything , or do u think all us crazy hatefull guys have one big fabric where we all come together to make tanks , do you ? I do not call a person a fascist or nazi because he/she is of Jewish faith . can u blaim me ? Upperclass usualy means upper-cash . O and thanks for not reading my post , it reaffirms the value information has in your eyes miss wel read upperclass . ur killing me , have u read ANY of the shit i posted here ? this guy right here calls me al qaida terrorist , and ur calling me cnn-nytimes person ? hilarious u people If u are going to insult me by calling me racist , GREAT , please also back it up while you are at it . Give me thye difintion of racism and explain me how exactly I am being racist because I recognize I people who feel mistreated by the Turkish government , who feel their identity isnt respected , how am i racist ?
Sure here goes........QUOTE: Erm, thats sounds like racist to me. Not only are you racist, you are a narrow minded, arrogant trouble maker. You have no time to listen to other peoples comments, so why you are on this forum only God knows, but Allah doesn't. Bugger off you turkey.
