Can An Original Thought Exist?

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by Novalis, Nov 26, 2014.

  1. Novalis Registered Member

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    MY TAKE:
    I see originality as a tree, and all the innovative or original ideas we do have as a branch on that tree. There is only one place where an original idea can exist: at the very beginning, at the roots of the tree, the base; when an idea is manifested or act upon, it only becomes a product of influence, an extension, a branch on the tree of ideas.

    Perhaps we are confusing originality, or the act of doing something first, with authenticity.


    YOUR TAKE?

    I would love to hear your opinion.
     
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  3. river

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    define authenticity
     
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  5. Novalis Registered Member

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    When your thoughts and ideas correspond with your own beliefs and feelings.
     
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  7. river

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    hmm... why does this make sense to you ?
     
  8. Novalis Registered Member

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    Substituting originality for authenticity is what get's us in trouble.


    Alright, say you live in Tokyo and I live in New York, and we don't know each other. One day, you come up with an idea to sell pink shirts with cats printed on them, and unbeknownst to you I had come up with that exact idea three months ago. Was it original? Did you plagiarize my idea? Or can two people have similar imaginations? If so, then the whole concept of originality becomes obsolete.
     
  9. river

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    sometimes ideas are made by two or more people

    AC ( alternating current ) is a good example , many people were working on AC

    yet without Tesla AC may not have been our electrical power power source

    originality is not a Japanese and Chinese strength
     
  10. Novalis Registered Member

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    Yes, this goes back to my tree theory. The definition of originality is the ability to act on an idea first, before anyone else can; Tesla is credited as the base of the tree, and all the other ideas that spawn afterwards are only an extension of his original idea, thus he get's the chapter in the physics textbooks and not all these other faceless nameless people.

    I'm not discrediting collaborative efforts, I'm wondering how broad can an individuals imagination span until it overlaps that of another.
     
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  11. river

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    the thing is though the base of the tree is " original thought "
     
  12. Novalis Registered Member

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    Which is why Tesla is at the base in this scenario; it was his original thought, meaning he acted upon it first, it doesn't mean it's authentic or unique, because as far as he knew, he was the only person who had that idea, and who knows? Maybe someone somewhere else, maybe years before him or at the same exact time, thought of the idea as well? We only recognize Tesla, because he acted upon it, thus the credit goes to him.
     
  13. river

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    actually AC was investigated in Europe , along with him , Tesla just understood it better , he promoted AC for the Niagara Falls power plant , and the world followed

    anyway the point is that new thinking , original thought takes place all the time , without others thinking the same way

    and it has happened through history and has happened now and into the future
     
  14. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Totally correct, and most of it takes place within the mainstream community before gaining acceptance within the mainstream community, after running the gauntlet, just as any hypothesis needs to and does.
     
  15. river

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    most of it takes place in the mainstream does it ? perhaps

    but the most important doesn't
     
  16. Novalis Registered Member

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    Authentic, maybe even unique thinking takes place all the time, but originality is foundational. Every thought ever came from one place.
     
  17. river

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    what place ?
     
  18. Novalis Registered Member

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    Although I don't know exactly where, I know it's prehistoric, perhaps the first invention. Think of it as a chain reaction; the first idea to be manifested caused a gigantic reaction to occur which in turn caused more progression, and thus here we are today, still continuing the advancement.
     
  19. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    The BB, SR, GR, Evolution, all took place within mainstream, Maxwell and Faraday did their stuff within mainstream, Hubble was mainstream, so was Hawking, Thorne, Bohr, Dirac, Feynman and all which they achieved.......Curie, Bequeral, Roentgen, and Meitner all were mainstream and did their thing within mainstream, as was Fermi, Szillard, and many many others.
    Glad to be of assistance.
     
  20. river

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    and Tesla was not mainstream , neither was Evolution , Maxwell and therefore Faraday , Hubble disagreed with his findings , they all found something outside the box that was unexpected
     
  21. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    All that I mentioned were mainstream. To say they weren't is to lie or just be plain ignorant.
     
  22. river

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    disagree

    none were mainstream from the initial thinking concepts

    they were absorbed into mainstream thinking
     
  23. Novalis Registered Member

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    I feel like we're backtracking. Off topic.
     

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