Christianity is based on substitutionary atonement. Is it a moral religion?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Greatest I am, Oct 25, 2014.

  1. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Hogwash. God killed Jesus. Read your bible.

    1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

    Man was not even created when your A hole God decided that Jesus was to die.

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    DL
     
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  3. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Jonah 3:10
    And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
     
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  5. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Why/how do people assume a god would be good/benevolent or wise or sane or mature.
     
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  7. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    God is said to know all things. How is it he did not know in advance that they would change their ways?
    He had to. Right?

    These all show that God does not change his mind for the reason stated.

    Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not;
    Ezekiel 24:14 "I the Lord have spoken it: it shall come to pass, and I will do it; I will not go back, neither will I spare, neither will I repent."
    James 1:17 " . . . the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning."
    1 Samuel 15:29 And also the Glory of Israel will not lie or change His mind; for He is not a man that He should change His mind,
    Psalm 110:4 The Lord has sworn and will not change His mind.

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  8. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    It's God he lives by ideals, what else makes one God but goodness.
     
  9. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    What it shows is that it contradicts itself & cannot be trusted.
     
  10. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Gods vary in goodness yet none are very good. Some hardly demonstrate any goodness. Goodness is never 1 of the main factors. The god being discussed in this thread is the epitome of evil. IF goodness meant 1 is a god then I would be a god & a much better god than any I've heard of.
     
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  11. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    I believe when the term God is taken literally is implys goodness.
     
  12. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    So you believe it because you believe it.
     
  13. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    What ideal made God torture King David's baby for 6 days before finally killing it because of his anger with the King?

    Tell us please.

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  14. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    I agree.

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  15. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Couldn't tell ya. I never even knew that was in the bible. I'm very picky when it comes to the verse I let into my heart. Some of the bible is actually very devilish you have to be careful.
     
  16. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    How else do you expect him to be?
     
  17. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    I cannot expect anything of something which does not exist. It isn't about me.
     
  18. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Of course you don't know that.
     
  19. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know what?
     
  20. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Th
    That God isn't there.
     
  21. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Which god?
     
  22. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    I put it short because, well, I'd be repeating myself at length with something you literally would dismiss because it differs from your own belief system. But if you insist:
    Substitutionary atonement has a great deal of precedence in the Hellenistic society that spawned Christianity. Many cultures practised animal sacrifice, and some practised human sacrifice; the purpose of these depended on the rituals, but some of them were done to purify a group or a community by way of killing or exiling a proxy individual. Normally, this was a livestock animal, but in very extreme circumstances it was a human. When the subject was a human, exile was predominant to killing.
    Its morality is questioned because we have the luxury of a modern perspective. But doing so is ignorant and completely contrary to core principles in the social sciences and historical study. You do not take things out of their proper context and presume to judge them with your modern ideas of morality. You have to place them in context and examine them structurally, as part of the situation they came from. To do otherwise is, as I said, ignorant.
     
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  23. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Killing someone is accidental or justified or murder. There is no proper context which justifies murder. Not even frenzied fantasy and/or cultural conformism peculiar to any time, place or group.
     

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