Street Harrassment.!!!

Who walks up to strangers and comment on their dress?

Your wife, mother, sister, daughter, sure. But complete strangers walking down the street. Ermm okay. Unless you are a transvestite interested in where said nice dress comes from, what compels you to approach strangers to comment on their dress?

I am curious about one thing, Motor Daddy. Say your daughter is 13 and she is walking down the street and a man your age approaches her and comments on her dress and how nice she looks in it, you'd be okay with that? How about if your 21 year old daughter is walking down the street and some stranger comments on her appearance and then starts to follow her for 5 minutes or so, walking real close so she knew he was there, staring at her the whole time, would you view that as being complimentary? Would you tell her, 'don't be silly! It's perfectly normal for strange men to view you as a sex object and stalk you and make you feel really uncomfortable'?

What it comes down to is this.

Do you think women should be allowed and able to walk down any street without being or feeling harassed from strangers?

It does not matter whether you believe that strangers stalking, following, commenting on women's dress, boob size, size of their arse, how they would look on their penis, etc does not constitute harassment. For example, some stalkers believe that sitting outside the bedroom window of the object of their affection is not stalking or harassment, and just letting the person know how much they love them. What matters is how the victim or the recipient of this form of unwanted attention feels about it.

The girl in the video clearly showed it was unwanted. She did not look at the men making these comments, she did not invite their attention in any way, shape or form. The only thing she was doing was walking down the street. Which begs the question... Why you think it is acceptable to accost strange women or approach them and comment on their looks, their sex and their dress when they have not invited you to do so?

 

Where did I say that men should not be safe and free from harassment and violence?

I don't even know who you are talking about or what his or her comment was or what it was about..?

Does she or he (if Gayle is male) have no problem with street harassment? Good for her (of him if Gayle is male). Not all women or men feel that way, however. As is clearly evidenced by this thread, and by your appearing to believe that it is not wrong to accost strange women on the street to give your opinion on how they dress..

Do you think that because some people think it is fine, that women or men who feel that it is a negative and horrible have nothing to complain about, that it is somehow not wrong? Some people also think raping or beating one's wife is not a crime or wrong. Are they right?

 

I read this Gayle person's statement as you discussed it above. Who is it? And why should it matter to this discussion?

Is it a woman? I would assume it is. Okay, so she doesn't have a problem with street harassment. As I said above, good for her or whatever she is, whoever she happens to be. My neighbour, Nancy, finds the video disturbing and street harassment disturbing. Does it matter to this discussion?

Instead of dodging the questions regarding your defense of accosting strange women in the street to comment on how they are dressed by bring up people we don't even know and how they feel about it, perhaps you can just qualify your statements in this thread?

 

You say this as though it is supposed to mean something to me or be important to me or this thread in some way....

You still don't understand that I do not even know who Gayle King is?

Okaay...

So someone on TV said that she did not mind street harassment...

And this somehow makes it right? Or is it only right because she said it on TV?

I tend to view people who harass people on the street as "it". In other words, not worthy of consideration.

Why do I need to know who she is?

Didn't you say earlier something along the lines that this Gayle person does not think street harassment is a problem or something along those lines?

And?

You seem very offended that I do not know or care who this person is?

Is she someone you like to watch on TV and is therefore important to you? Are you a fan and you are cranky that I just don't care about whoever Gayle King is or when she is on TV or about your morning television viewing?

You have already established this. She is a woman. Hear her roar.

And why should I care if she is a woman?

Well why should she register?

You kept going on about this Gayle person's opinion about street harassment. Why is Nancy's opinion any less worthy?

Oh no I did understand.

I am curious though. You see, men who catcall women or walk up to strange women and comment on what they are wearing usually fall into 3 camps:

(1) The creepy pervert who cannot see a woman without feeling a pathological need to accost her and harass her and will comment on her clothes.
(2) The guy who thinks he's just the best and who thinks that strange women will want and need to hear his opinion on what she is wearing, even though she just thinks he falls into camp (1).
(3) The guy is a transvestite or cross dresser and wants to know where the dress is from and thinks it's a nice dress. (This is really the only acceptable)..

Which camp do you fall into?

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As I noted previously.. And?

What makes her opinion more important than every other woman's?

So she does not have a problem with strange men walking up to her and commenting on her clothes (ie street harassment). What does this have to do with the women who do?

I mean, are we all supposed to drop everything and agree with her because she is on your the morning talk show you seem to watch?

Well the woman on the video was harassed. A lot of people who viewed it saw it as harassment.

Who is Gayle and why should I or anyone else care if she thinks that the girl in the video should have twirled and said thank you to random strange men stalking her and harassing her in the street? What makes this Gayle person's opinion more worthy of consideration over other women?

And as I keep saying.. And?

Why do you keep insisting that I care who this Gayle is and what she says on TV? Because she is a woman? Good for her. So am I. I fail to see why I should care who she is or what she says?

Well this is a thread about street harassment and you quote morning TV personality saying she would twirl or whirl or whatever and say thank you to men who approach her and comment on her clothes. Usually when strange men or women start doing that, it's classified as street harassment. Or when people catcall is also classified as street harassment. This Gayle person seems to think it would only be bad if the guy tried to rape her. Okay. That is clearly her opinion. She is welcome to it.

So why should I care who she is (despite your repeated assertion that she is on TV, I don't really care about TV or who appear on it) or what she says? Why is her opinion worth more than other women?

Real woman?

Is she a real woman because she is on TV?

Do you think the woman in the video is a real woman? Or not a real woman?

You keep saying real woman. What makes her a real woman as opposed to all the other women who view it as harassment? Or are they not real women because they are not on TV? Nancy is a real woman and she thinks it is harassment. Does that mean I should not believe how she feels about it because she is not on TV?

You seem intent that I somehow comment on what Gayle had to say. As I have repeatedly said now, Gayle is very welcome to her opinion on the matter. Like most people, she has an opinion on it. Does not mean that what women experience is not harassment. I get it, I do.. You think that because she said it on TV, that it somehow nullifies how other women (also "real women") feel about it. I happen to disagree with her assessment. So what?

How did I degrade what she said by saying she is entitled to her opinion just as I am entitled to mine and Nancy to hers?

It is interesting that you keep saying "real woman".. As opposed to someone who is not a real woman?

Once again.. Since you seem to have a few issues with comprehension.. Gayle is entitled to her opinion and she is free and welcome to it. It does not mean that other women do not have opinions on the matter.

How is this silencing her or not being interested in what she has to say? What I said was that why does what she has to say matter to me or any other woman for that matter? We all have our own opinions based on our own experiences and what we witness. It seems Gayle thinks it is only bad if the person tries to rape her. I happen to disagree with her assessment. So what? Should I be rendering my clothes and wailing that I disagree with a woman on TV?

Why do you need to?

Is Gayle not enough for you?

Sure. Get Gayle to join and we can all have a great shin dig.

Why don't you?

1) Hardly. But keep trying.
2) This does not even make sense.. Although you do seem somewhat hung up on famous people on TV, in the music industry or movies.
3) Yes. And?

You seem so intent that I take the word of TV personalities and run with it. Your sexism seems to follow the line of thought that because she is a woman, then I must somehow pay more attention to her. The whole 'but she's a woman' thing you have going there is a bit weird, to be honest. She, like everyone else, has an opinion on the matter. So what?