Street Harrassment.!!!

Please list the individual 3 comments that seemed the most to evidence "harassment".

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.3% does not, repeat NOT = "all the time".

 

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@ zqmc an James R:::

Do you thank men are inherently more prone (nature) to this type of behavior than women.???

 

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Part the First

He's just jealous.

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Maybe it would take you ten hours to find someone to harass you.

Meanwhile, here is real prevention advocacy:

While many harassers only harass women when they are alone or they harass women in such a way that no one else realizes what is happening, there are many times when they do blatantly harass women in front of others. Over and over women who have been harassed felt shocked or betrayed when no one around stopped to help.

Having a bystander say or do something could make a big difference in ending the harassment scenario, helping the woman not feel alone and safe, and making it clear that the harassing behavior is socially unacceptable ....

.... There are many barriers that keep people, especially men, from preventing and intervening in street harassment and other incidents as often as they could. For example, if there are several other people around, the “bystander effect” may mean that each person expects the other to respond or that if no one responds, there is no need to or it must be inappropriate to do so. Other reasons for doing nothing may be because the a person is unsure if the behavior is unwelcome, doesn't want to assume the person can't take care of themselves, doesn't know what to do, and/or fears the perpetrator will turn on them.

While these are legitimate concerns, since intervention often can make a difference, the benefits may out weigh the negatives. To learn more, consider attending workshops by groups like Men Can Stop Rape and Mentors in Violence Prevention (MVP).

Other resources include:

Men Can Stop Rape's Where Do You Stand campaign

Know Your Power Campaign & University of New Hampshire article “Sexual Violence Prevention Through Bystander Education: An Experimental Evaluation“

Hollaback's bystander campaign “I've Got Your Back”

Brian Martin's “Men: Help stop public harassment“

Jackson Katz's The Macho Paradox: Why Some Men Hurt Women and How All Men Can Help

Todd Denny's Unexpected Allies: Men Who Stop Rape

Martha Langelan's Back Off! How to Confront and Stop Sexual Harassment and Harassers (see chapter 8: “Not All Men Harass: Men as Allies for Women”)

R. W. Connell's Masculinities

Michael S. Kimmel's Manhood in America: A Cultural History

Michael Kaufman and Michael Kimmel's book The Guy's Guide to Feminism

Bryon Hurt's film “Hip-Hop: Beyond Beats and Ryhmes“

Men Can Stop Rape

Man Up Campaign​

(Stop Street Harassment (↱))​

Meanwhile, Marly-Pierre Louis (↱) of the Brooklyn Movement Center noted last year:

During our Anti-Street Harassment chalk party last week, Anthonine and I spoke to guys, young and old about why it's wrong to harass women in the streets. It was both entertaining and sobering to hear the many different ways they defended their right to engage in this behavior. More importantly however, it was enlightening. It made it clear that there is a huge disconnect on what is and isn't appropriate language to use with strangers. Men seemed genuinely shocked and confused that the way they spoke to women in the streets was considered harassment. It made it clear that we have our work cut out for us and that ongoing inter-gender and intergenerational dialogue must be the cornerstone of our anti-street harassment work. This article is an attempt to address that confusion.

Almost every man we spoke to felt the remarks made to women in the streets were “harmless” and were an attempt at being neighborly. When we asked whether they were similarly neighborly to other men, their defense fell apart. They pointed out the absurdity of infringing on someone's personal space in public in that way. Yet when we pointed out that these gender-based unsolicited remarks are street harassment by definition, they adamantly disagreed. While they were difficult, we realized that each one of these conversations was a step towards a harassment free neighborhood.​

Sarah Pederson (↱) of The Siren at University of North Carolina is also part of the Hollaback movement:

I then realized that I'm not the only person who has had to deal with harassing words from men I don't know—and men I do know. I'm not the only person who changes my outfit based on where I plan to walk that day, who plans my route to avoid places where I've been harassed before, who has become hyperaware of my surroundings, who has been conditioned to fear men as threats to my safety. These are actions and thoughts I engage in almost subconsciously—they have become a normalized part of my daily life.

Acknowledging the sexism and misogyny still ever-present in our society is half the battle—these are painful realities that we try to bury deep. We minimize harassment and pretend that it isn't as much of a problem as it is. Yet most women—and many men—feel fear and discomfort simply while walking down the street. I think of myself as a strong woman, and I used to think that meant I shouldn't let something like “catcalling” get to me—that if I simply ignored such actions, they couldn't hurt me. But being a strong person is about standing up for yourself and others who have been hurt. It's about asserting your rights and dignity as a human being. It's about calling out people who aren't being held accountable for their actions.

I've tried to avoid people, places, and the problem of catcalling. Now, I want to reclaim my right and everyone's right to a life free of fear, intimidation, and harassment ....

.... Street harassment is not about giving someone a compliment.

You give a friend a compliment (Cool shoes!) or compliment someone you've struck up a conversation with (You have such an interesting perspective on feminism). You give people compliments to empower them, show them respect, or enter into a sense of community with them.

Street harassment, on the other hand, is a social tool used to assert dominance and control over others in public spaces. This is the opposite of a compliment—the target of harassment feels inferior, disrespected, and unwelcome. The relative freedom of women to move about in public spaces is actually a fairly recent phenomenon. The mobility of women is still severely restricted in parts of the world today. Taken in context, street harassment is part of a series of daily micro-assaults in the lives of women meant to remind them of their “true place” in the social hierarchy.

It is important to recognize that many men who engage in harassment may not be aware of the harm they cause by saying something as seemingly benign as “Smile, you're beautiful!” Despite any good intentions, men who engage in such behavior deny the harmful impact of their controlling actions and need to seriously examine the roots of their motivation to tell another person what to think of her appearance and express her emotions.

Furthermore, we need to cultivate a greater consciousness around the culture of male entitlement that street harassment perpetuates. These are not isolated events that exist in a vacuum, but rather actions connected to a wider societal permissiveness towards gender-based violence.​

End Part I​

 

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Part the Second

And as much as we might loathe the actual word "hollaback", it turns out to be effective. Consider the idea of a woman groped in a public place, who also feels empowered enough to get a photograph of her assailant, relying on self-defense training and the hope that the fact of being in a crowded area means that there is at least someone in the area who isn't like you, Sculptor. Now imagine taking the photo to the police, who already have a reputation for literally laughing off sexual assault complaints, and finding them uninterested. So she goes full hollaback, posting the photo and story to social media, which in turn creates enough public outrage that the police department sighs, makes a couple of excuses for their inaction, and says they'll look into it. Now imagine that the social media campaign happens to have landed in the right place, among other things, and the police department gets a call from the state corrections department, who advises them that they recognize the alleged groper, that he is a Level 3 sex offender, and this is where you should be able to find him unless he's violating his parole.

It shouldn't require public humiliation of a police department and a call from corrections wondering why you're not going after a Level 3 offender.

I'll recycle a point or two (↱) here:

• I don't know how many times you, as a man, have had someone walk along beside you for minutes at a time trying to convince you to let him stick his penis inside you. Just sayin', man. Doesn't happen to me, and I happen to be gay. And honestly, man, how many times do you really think that's happened to Beckel?

• If the only way you can contact a woman is by making her uncomfortable, you're doing it wrong. The only reason we might find to even consider accommodating that sort of conduct is if society concludes that male chauvinist stupidity really is a disability. And come on, let's face it, that ain't gonna happen.​

And I would also remind that this is the sort of behavior society tells women to avoid. You know, because it's their own responsibility to prevent some random man somewhere from behaving inappropriately and dangerously. In that way, it's kind of a trap that pretty much defines rape culture: It's your job, ladies, to prevent men from treating you this way, but, hey, don't be such a cold bitch about it, eh?

Your advocacy, Sculptor, is noted.
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Notes:

Stop Street Harassment. "Bystander Responses". (n.d.) StopStreetHarassment.com. October 30, 2014. http://www.stopstreetharassment.org/strategies/bystander-responses/

Pierre-Louis, Marly. "Responses to the Shit Men Say in Defense of Street Harassment". Brooklyn Movement Center. April 18, 2013. BrooklynMovementCenter.org. October 30, 2014. http://brooklynmovementcenter.org/p...shit-men-say-in-defense-of-street-harassment/

Pederson, Sarah. "Calling Out Cat-Callers". The Siren. November 26, 2014. UNCSiren.com. October 30, 2014. http://uncsiren.com/catcalling/

 

The length of time in which these approaches occur is irrelevant.

 

I do not condone harassment of anyone, male or female, old or young, of any nationality, race or creed.
All I said was that the video clip was garbage as far as drawing any conclusive psychological inferences.
and, therefore: The survey is also meaningless if drawn from this clip.

incidentally
I lean toward peer group nurture, with a smidgen of nature overlaying the peer group pressure thing.

 

I really don't know. I would think yes, but it may be nurture that makes it seem that way.

 

Did you want to make the case that saying "how are you" can universally be construed as harassment?

 

Fuck no. You already condoned harassing women, so fuck your pathetic attempt to make yourself look like less of a piece of shit.

 

Yes it seems that way to me also... an heres a survey in suport of it:::

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...omen-are-more-moral-than-men-survey-says.html

 

I dont consider most of what was displayed in the video as harassment.

But on first view the man walking along side for several minutes, in real life I would have been very uncomfortable with that. However on second view, I noticed no comments were made from third parties while he was walking alongside. So I watched that again and listened to tone of voice as he acknowledged her and I wondered. Did he walk along side of her as a self appointed protector? An I'll be a nice guy and walk her through this neighborhood so shes safe? He didnt keep talking to her (like another individual looking to meet up). And I would not have been as uncomfortable with the guy wanting to meet up, as he was talking and I would have known what his motive was (and could have said Not interested).

Videos like this dont impress me.

And 20-30 years from now shes going to look back fondly on the days when she would turn heads, and miss those "how ya doing babe" moments.

 

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Seriously....

 

um, yeah
Seriously.

 

So do you behave in the same way as those guys?