Do Jihadists have a point?

Do Jihadists have a point?

Jihadists rebel because they see God reward Satan for rebellion.

The facts, as I understand them from scriptures, indicate that Satan rebelled in heaven, was crowned as the first Morning Star, was intentionally placed to enlighten Eve with her God given powers, then Eve enlightened Adam.

Satan was given dominion of the world and that is also what I. S. wants.

The world is moving towards a one world government. No question as all one needs do is look at the rapprochement of all of the various countries, one to the other.

I S thinks it can oust the oligarchic, --- some think democratic, --- control that the world is now under, to one where Allah rules.

Unfortunately, Allah is not about and I do not think he will show up soon, --- and that is the only possible thing that will bring the oligarchs or democracies to bend the knee.

I. S. and all home grown terrorists know this deep down and that means that they are basically suicidal and insane. One of Canada’s home grown Jihadist was thrown out of his mosque and yet even with all we knew of him, he still slipped in to do his evil deed.

I. S. and all home grown terrorists know, thought or free thinking cannot be stopped. They know this from their own thinking. They, stupidly, think they can control the world by doing just that same kind of thought control. It is unfortunate that we cannot legislate this type of stupidity away.

Sorry Jihadist scum, Christianity already tried that, --- and failed, --- as Gnostic Christians like me are still around and are strong.

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If I were speaking directly to a real Jihadist, I would have this to say;

“Satan was rewarded for challenging oppression and tyranny. A just cause.

You have no just cause, and unfortunately, as the spearhead of a religion that would deny mankind freedom of thought, you will become as redundant as Christianity is today.

That is how the world rewards those of your ilk.

Christians hated Gnostic Christians enough to decimate us because we would not bend the knee to those who would demand that we think as they did.

The world will have the same answer for you when we kill you.

We do not want to kill you, however, if you do not repent; you will die by the sword.

Free thinking is now too big to fail. Even you are not immune and cannot prevent yourself nor others from doing it. Recognize this, friend, before you die needlessly and harm others for being angry with yourself”

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DL

 

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Of course free thinking can fail. One just shoots some of them and terrorizes the rest. It happens all the time. For those with access to ideology and a gun, there is always a recourse against morality.

 

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We are no longer in the hay days of Christianity.

Mankind will not tolerate another Dark Age.

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DL

 

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They do in their own minds. They believe that God has revealed to them the social order that God expects all of humanity to conform to. And they believe that God has charged them with the responsibility to spread that social order to, and to enforce it upon, everyone else.

From the point of view of someone like myself, who doesn't believe in their God or in their revelation, that's extremely threatening.

I should add that many less-medieval Muslims today have a much more personalized understanding of what jihad means. They see it as an inner struggle inside themselves, between spirituality and worldliness we might say. I can respect that. I've been impressed by the spirituality of a few Sufis I met. (Of course they were modernist Sufis in the West.) My own view is that if Islam is ever going to find a peaceful place in the larger and increasingly diverse world of globalized humanity, it will have to become more of a personal, as opposed to a political-community religion.

But the earliest Muslims in the 7th century do seem to have had the more political vision of Islam as universal social order, of world jihad and of worldwide Muslim hegemony as well. And unfortunately, the Islamic State and the other contemporary jihadist movements are basically revivalist movements, of the sort one sees in cultures under stress. They are attempting to revive what they imagine was the religious purity and dedication of the earliest Muslims, and along with it, the explosive success of that earliest community in spreading Islam across half the known world in a single generation. That's their desperate hope and model today for resisting what they see as the constant encroachments of a rather Westernized global culture and for ensuring their own God-willed victory against it.

 

Today many live in the age of enlightenment.

 

True warriors of God come armed with logic and justification in the name of non-violence. Islam is the so called religion of peace. Non-believers don't need to be killed but reasoned with. According to us there is a God, and if there is then he created everyone for a reason. The devil or suffering in nature is only a product of a grand lesson for Gods angels, he doesn't exist in nature by his own right. All people can submit, there is no heck. Peace and Love imply everyone. Any man perceived as evil, or any non believer lacks knowledge and needs to be informed not killed.

Jihadist are lost men trying to do good. They are love mixed with hatred. I want to make safe with them. Go peace.

 

Enlightenment of what. If we knew we wouldn't be suffering.

 

You don't have a clue what Jihadists are thinking. They want to fulfill God's laws within a certain territory. In their view, wrong thinking should be punished, with death if necessary. Free thought isn't a given in a society. If you control the flow of information and education, any inkling of a free thought won't go very far. People will suppress it within themselves. It doesn't even take a majority to accomplish this.

 

Ha! You'd better bet they fucking well will. People will line right up behind anyone perceived to have the answers.

SG above touches on this also.

 

God may be dead but his image is still preserved in our rational language. We're still walking through the valley of the shadow of his death. Secular thought is not de-Christianized, yet.

 

Lets see , women's rights, racial equality, freedom of the press, freedom of speech, the internet, computers, free colleges and public education, the right to work, freedom of movement anywhere in the world, prevention of diseases, improved healthcare for the masses, the right to vote and I could go on but I think you get my drift. In the dark ages none of these things were around but today they are in many countries, albeit not every country but we are working on that.

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All good things, but were still at conflict globally. Maybe if we could all agree on a passive-pleasurable ideal...

 

Thanks for this.

I think we should all feel threatened by those who wish to throw the world into another Abrahamic cult/Muslim led Dark Age and Inquisition. I think the world had enough with the Christian one.

I do not know if I agree with you on the Jihadists being good believers. If they were spiritual at all instead of suicidal, they would know that what they di is wrong as they would remember that that is what Christianity tried to do to them in terms of thought control.

This type of data shows why I do not think they are particularly religious and that they are just following traditions and culture.



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DL

 

Not the majority as lying religions are still lying to us tas exempt and on our own tax dollars.

When our governments end the Noble Lie of religions, then we can say that the majority is no longer under the stupidity line.

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DL

 

Your first would have gotten you killed by Christians if you were born between 400 and 1400 CE.

You seem to fail to realize that all non-believers want is for the religious to mind their own business. Sure, the religious can advertise, but any pushing should never be tolerated.

I offer the God I know but never push.

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DL

 

You are correct in that I do not know for sure what the Jihadists are thinking. If I did, I would be as insane as I think they are.

You are describing what Christianity tried to do to Islam for hundreds of years in controlling their thinking.

Do you think they may have some blame to take for Islam adopting the same methods Christianity used against them?

Is this monkey see monkey do?

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DL

 

Not with the turning point of belief to non-belief estimated to be 2050.

Religions are in their dying throws as we speak. I see this as Islam's last kick at the can.

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DL

 

Hmm.Gay marriage says otherwise.

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DL

 

Such as?

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DL

 

hay days...you mean hey days? I just..idk, didn't read you post but what can I say? you stupid or just wastin my time.

Well, I'm gonna say you stupid. neither warm nor cold... I spit you out. indifferent because you are like the intellect of a rock.

I would call you a whore but that would be an insult to all the legitimate whores.

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