People slipping through time.

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  1. heytogi Registered Member

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    Wow!

    maybe on the same day, you and you'r friend step in some chemicals on the floor or some dude was spraying his lawn with DDD and you inhale some so it gave you an acid trip! Now you figure its a time warp! lol!
    we will never know!
     
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  3. cosmictotem Registered Senior Member

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    It's probably just an indication that most of your daily activities are automatic and/or not worth remembering or consciously observing while you're doing them.

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  5. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    GaiaGirl:From your Post #6
    Time as a dimension is a model, not a reality.

    BTW: This model describes a static universe. There is no motion, only 4D World Lines.

    In this model the location of an event is specified by coordinates values (x, y, z, t). The motion of a point-like object (EG: an electron) is described by a set of such values, which is called the World Line of the object. A World Line is a static 4D curve.

    When this model is used to describe the laws of physics, the model does not include time reversed actions.

    From your Post #9
    Some explanations include hallucination, misinterpretation of the observations, a desire to attract attention by making up an interesting story. No explanation is required by others when your claim is unsupported by any evidence other than your assertion that it happened.

    There have been alien abduction books, ancient astronaut books, ESP claims, and other books about strange phenomena. Without evidence such notions are fiction. Without evidence your claim is at best interesting fiction.

    As said by LaPlace (or some other very bright individual)
    I (and I assume most others) view your claim as extraordinary & require some supporting evidence.

    From your Post #12
    There are many times when I have been asked to not have a closed mind. Sometimes I accept the remark as perhaps a reasonable claim that I have some erroneous POV. Many time my response is:
    On the issue of this Thread, the above is my attitude to accusations of being close minded.
     
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  7. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

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    Post 63 is evidence that old dinosaur's brains are still trash free at least here. So I will continue to open his posts when I note one.
     
  8. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    Here is my easiest take on why time is a dimension. If I want to have a meeting with you I need to give you 4 dimensions. I need a X dimension (longitude), I need a Y dimension (latitude), I need a Z dimension (which floor?) and I need a time dimension (when is the meeting?). If you leave any one of those dimensions out you will more than likely never have that meeting.
     
  9. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Well, we're certainly looping through time here. "Gaiagirl"who is a man, I think, got banned about 6 months ago.

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  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Question: How can someone travel back in time, while the very action itself creates a forward time line?
    Seerms like a paradox to me.
     
  11. danshawen Valued Senior Member

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    Not if you're dreaming.
     
  12. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

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    I was going to post more, but I went back in time and killed my parents when they were about 5 years old. (Before going back, I set up my now un-owned, as I don't exist, computer up to post this automatically for me.
     
  13. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Goodbye, Bitty T...

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  15. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks but it turned out I was adopted - some one else may not exist now. I want to beat the double murder wrap with a good lawyer - send money.
     
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  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I read the article and saw several logical errors in the analysis.

    First, it assumes that Time is a separate plenum, which can be traveled independent of physical space and events.
    (I would argue that time is an inevitably by-product of a physical event).

    Therefore, it is a logically a false assumption, as time MUST be associated with physical change and any reversal of time would chronologically undo the events which created that particular timeline in the first place, including oneself.
    This logical error is depicted in "The Time machine" where one sees the the physical world pass by at an ever increasing rate, while comfortably sitting in the time machine. In reality the time machine should disappear the moment the traveler passes the timeframe of the construction of the machine, or the gun, or the clothes he was wearing and he should have disappeared the moment he passed his birth.

    If time travel is possible, one can only travel back via his/her's own timeline where the past becomes your present and your present (in your past) becomes uncertain of the future present, which was your original point of departure, relative to your past. A clear paradox, IMO.

    Time is a result of a permissive aspect of physical space which allows for change, during which Time becomes a chronological account of such change.
    Without a chronology of events, time loses its meaning. There can be no physical object which can reverse its own timeline beyond the spacetime coordinated of its creation. Every physical event in space has an associated duration, a chronology by a measurable standard; Time.

    When we "look" back in time such as observing a nova in the far distant past, we are not looking back in time, we are looking back in space to a physical event at a certain spacetime coordinate. From the properties of the physical informatio received by the observer, an associated timeframe can be extrapolated. However, that spacetime coordinate has changed by the time we receive its image. In fact it may already have ceased to exist altogether and does no longer exist in spacetime at all.
    Can we step across the infinite number of world timelines to visit timelines of other physical events, say, beyond our current event horizons of physical space?

    With your indulgence, backward time travel would face three main obstacles in physical space (as I understand them):

    No matter the method of travel used, to the traveler;
    a) the Past is "unalterably fixed" with an associated timeframe.
    b) the Present is "fluid" with all associated timeframes
    c) the Future is "uncertain" for all associated timeframes

    Perhaps an equation is hidden in these three assumptions as related to timetravel.
     
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  17. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    The past maybe unalterably fixed, I probably support that, but the creation of new time lines could be away around that.
     
  18. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Unless they can prove you went back in time they can never prove that you did it.
     
  19. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    There is no present.
     
  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I can agree with that proposition, such as space folding, however the traveler would remain in his present, but in another reality (timeline) which is still going forward in time, and thus has no way of observing what the state of the chosen coordinates was at the time that original information was transmitted and reached us millions of years later, prompting our desire to physically go back in time.

    IMO, due to the inseparable connection between events in physical space and the resulting chronology of time (lines), it would be impossible to devise a physical object that is able to reverse this chronology without also destroying the physical events which were causal to the chronology.

    As I understand it, any theory of spacetime, must be compatible with both QM and GR. I believe the term is "non-perturbative".

    It seems to me that any form of time travel other than just observation and measurements of past events, while we continue to accumulate our own time line chronology, would be perturbative and while theoretically possible, it is practically impossible.

    I propose that time associated with any and all physical events is a one way gate function. We can and are going forward in time along with the evolution of physical space, but we can never reverse the gate function, allowing us to travel back into the past. Whatever is in our past will always remain in our past.
     
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  21. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Do we know enough about QM to say that?
    I agree on face value, there appears to be "causalty problems"and the whole subject appears to be "counter-Intuitive".....But so was the eventual acceptance of the non-absolute nature of space and time....And let's not forget about BH's.
     
  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks paddoboy, for your reference to BH. I have no clue what happens to time in a BH, so I cannot even begin to try and relate that to time travel.
    But as a kneejerk response, I doubt that the destructive condition inside a BH would practically allow for travel of any kind, even though theoretically it might be possible. From the little I know, it seems to me that a BH is also a one way gate. You can get in, but you can't get out.

    But you have peaked my interest and if you have a link explaining how and why a BH could possibly be used to skip parts of the chronology of time, I'd be grateful.

    p.s. Is it possible that the non-absolute (dynamic) nature of spacetime is the very reason why timetravel is not practically possible?
     
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  23. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

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    Good point. The burdened of proof is on the police, but feel free to send money anyway. The authorities may (in this day and age) apply their new: your guilty until you prove you are not rule they use to confiscate larger sums money they "accidently" discover when pulling a driver over for a burnt out tail light.

    Watch this video to see this new "guilty until you prove your not" law applied

    This one is review by a comedian. His best comment was reply to policeman's assertion that the guy was driving cross country to buy drugs in California! Watch for good laugh at that.
     
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