Some facts about guns in the US

because people like you argue for loopholes that allow them to get guns.

and that's problem look at zimmerman. he got away with murder. and than continued to commit crimes with his guns. and yet he still allowed to have them.

and i didn't say commit a violent crime with a gun i said commit a violent crime in general. with or without a gun. the moment you have shown any sort of violent tendencies you don't get to have a gun. that's the way it needs to be.

 

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Gia Soriano Is Dead

We are still attempting to tally the damage at Marysville-Pilchuck High School.

A freshman girl shot by a classmate at Marysville-Pilchuck High School has died at Providence Regional Medical Center Everett.

Gia Soriano, 14, died at about 9:30 p.m. Sunday, hospital officials announced at a news conference.

(Sullivan and Lacitis (↗))​

The count as of today:

• Dead:

―Zoe Galasso, 14
―Gia Soriano, 14
―Jaylen Fryberg, 15 (self-inflicted)​

• Wounded:

―Shaylee Chuckulnaskit, 14
―Nate Hatch, 14
―Andrew Fryberg, 15​

As circumstance has it, the two young men wounded in this rampage are cousins to the shooter (↗).

"All three of the boys, they're like triplets. They were inseparable." ―Paula Hatch Satiacum (↗)​

While it is apparently a matter of evidence, now, that the .40 caliber handgun Jaylen Fryberg used in the attack was registered to his father, begs a question: How did the young man obtain this weapon?

Easy access? Perhaps. And to a certain degree it is easy to comprehend: It's never supposed to be our happy, recently elected homecoming prince of a son who is supposed to be looking forward to a life of community prestige and leadership.

These things happen.

You're not supposed to see them coming; that's part of the problem.

We need not indict the Fyberg family; the law either will or won't according to the inclinations of those enforcing it. And in a country where the idea that one has suffered enough means one wouldn't be charged for shooting a seven-year old son to death with an illegally-possessed handgun and apparently for the sake of negligence, it's hard to see how we can hold a responsible gun owner accountable for allowing his firearm to be used in a murder.

And that will be a painful issue for this community. But the worst possible thing that could happen now is that we learn nothing going forward.

This shooting, ostensibly, was about a girl. And that comes on the heels of a local terror threat against women. Hello? There is an issue here.

Bomb threat, mass shooting, and, yes, now a new mass shooting threat. How has mortal violence and the threat thereof become so frequent a goal? Yes, there is an issue here, too.

Why is it so easy for one intending to murder others to get hold of someone else's gun? Yes, this is an issue.

And it would seem all of these questions need substantive answers in order to comprehend what has happened. It is easy enough to say we need to change course, but that does not actually mean much until we can identify the course we're on, the course we want to be on, and the relationship between those concepts.

Meanwhile, Gia Soriano is dead. So is Zoe Galasso. And, yes, so is Jaylen Fryberg.

Absolutely none of this had to happen.

So are we going to try to figure this out? Or are these lives yet another toll paid for the privilege of going nowhere?
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Notes:

Sullivan, Jennifer and Erik Lacitis. "Marysville girl shot by classmate dies Sunday night in Everett". The Seattle Times. October 26, 2014. SeattleTimes.com. October 27, 2014. http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today...lchuck-shooting-victims-3-critical-1-serious/

Aradillas, Elaine. "Jaylen Fryberg Targeted His Best Friends During Shooting at Marysville-Pilchuck High School". People. October 26, 2014. People.com. October 27, 2014. http://www.people.com/article/marysville-pilchuck-school-shooter-friends-cousins

KOMO Staff. "Green River Community College on lockdown after threat". KOMO News. October 27, 2014. KOMOnews.com. October 27, 2014. http://www.komonews.com/news/local/...llege-on-lockdown-after-threat-280548162.html​

 

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No, I don't. I think felons should permanently lose their right to own weapons.

Also agreed. Once you commit a violent crime you should lose your right to own guns.

 

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than why are you arguing against the people who want to ensure that happens

 

You'll have to be more specific than that. Which people and what do you think my argument is with them?

 

Education in America

The new public education: I majored in trauma medicine, minored in duck and cover. Thankfully I made it to graduation. Now, on to high school.

Oh, and Australia was May, 2012, but nobody died so ... right. April, 2003, before that. But you know the rules, James. It's happened once, which means Australia can't say jack about the U.S. on this count, or something.

Sorry, American political custom; you're not perfect, so you don't get to say anything about our imperfection. Or something like that. Personally, I never understood the concept in any manner that might foresee useful practical application, but it's also something of a prevailing custom. Example: Scott Brown hits Jeanne Shaheen on border security, touts his time on the committee; turns out he never attended any of the committee meetings on border security, so now the idea of ever missing any committee meetings is in play. Was even funnier, though, when NC state Rep. Thom Tillis (R) went after Sen. Kay Hagan (D), and accused her of skipping meetings for a committee she wasn't even on.

At any rate, though, the lack of data about Australia's myriad mass shootings is probably a conspiracy, because my gun-loving American neighbors say your nation's policies can only lead to increases in gun crime. And, you know, they're Americans. And they have guns. So that means they're right.

 

Thankfully he didn't have one of these...

 

I just think that we need to stop the whole crazy train of "abolish guns" and start with "lets control who is actually buying guns" first

 

Excuse me: this appears to be sheer assertion. Which loopholes has billvon argued for?

 

The manufacturers sell their weapons to wholesale outlets. Those businesses sell them to the public. So if we put a stop to the manufacturers that would prevent anyone buying their products except the military.

 

actually their are certain miniguns that are legal for civilian use in the US. if memory serves 34 for remain and they rarely are sold when they are its for several hundred dollars.

 

Several hundred thousand dollars. Start citing things.

 

really your going to start trolling over typo?

 

"You're". And "typos". Start spelling too.

 

Are we actually still on it?

In truth, man, I hear that bit from firearms owners a lot, and most days they're the only ones actually saying anything about abolishing guns.

But I will make this point, because it needs to be made: That way doesn't work, either. Remember that this is so important to people that there are gun owners out there demanding that stalkers' gun-owning rights are protected.

And if you happen to think that maybe some of the most dangerous criminals on record shouldn't be legally allowed to own firearms, you're a foul authoritarian git. A gun owner told me so. And, you know, he's a gun owner, so he's right.

 

Given that men are most commonly the victims of violent assaults, I'd argue that there is far more at play here than a simple safety issue. Indeed, it's not unheard of for 'abused' women to shoot their 'abusive' husbands, usually in the back or when they are asleep, so I don't think all of these feminists are against gun ownership.

And there you go, assuming that I am male. I disagreed with you and postulated that many feminists suffer from penis envy, and suddenly I'm one of those big bad men with size issues. Personally, I don't regard a gun as a phallic object, but I could see how feminists with an inferiority complex might.

 

Anyone who brings in suicide stats, domestic violence stats, the public health perspective, accidents involving children, and the like, is talking about making guns unavailable in private homes.

So how does that work?