The Hard Problems Of Consciousnes - One of the best cases for Intelligent Design

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  1. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks for this. I rather like Gnoo Guru, since Gnoo rhymes more obviously with Woo, which is what this is.

    "Gnoo Woo" sums it up quite nicely.
     
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  3. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    I was walking a path, looked down & saw a god & it was obvious it had to have a creator. For it takes a godmaker to make a god. It could not have come about by chance.
     
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  5. BIGFOOT Registered Senior Member

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    "A God who has to mediate every action"
    The God I know has set everyone free.........He just wants us to love one another. Is that so difficult? “You must Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the greatest and the first commandment. (Deuteronomy 6:5) The second resembles it: You must love your neighbor as yourself(Leviticus 19:18). On these two commandments hangs the whole law, and the prophets” Mathew 22:36-40
    Do we need monitoring to learn that, these two make Ultimate sense? You may ask me, "How do I love a God whom I cannot see? I tell, start with the "Loving your neighbor" and the other part of "loving the Lord" will fulfill itself.

    "We can only experience the physical world through the medium of sensory experience"
    Yeah, and my take, is what Kant proofs in his Critique of Pure Reason. Sensory experience being subjective, is biased. And I explained earlier, that since QM, has given us an inference that everything is entangled, this entanglement, convinces me, that the physical reality is but another dream state.
     
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  7. BIGFOOT Registered Senior Member

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    Christianity makes most sense to me...........even if most Christians do not appear to make sense.
     
  8. BIGFOOT Registered Senior Member

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    "thoughts are physical products of the brain"

    Thoughts are not things...........thoughts are a Law.
     
  9. BIGFOOT Registered Senior Member

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    God is Spirit.....meaning....unseen. So, there.
     
  10. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Christianity makes no sense. God is make believe...meaning...childish play acting.

    The point you don't want to see is whatever can be said about life or the universe requiring a maker applies even more so to a god.
     
  11. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Yet all that depends on YOUR biased subjective sensory experience so you not only cannot know any of that or know you are correct but you have no basis to even suspect you might be correct. All you can do is speculate & you will never know whether any of your speculating ever approached the truth.
     
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  12. BIGFOOT Registered Senior Member

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    photomultipliers
    "Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength." 1 Corinthians 20-25
     
  13. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Your ImaginaryFiend has no wisdom or strength except in the delirious delusion of those who fabricate it from their imagination.

    Repeatedly quoting from fairy tales to those who have read them & heard them before yet are not susceptible to them is spinning your wheels in muddy ruts, at best. Neither does it address my comments.
     
  14. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    If sensory experience is subjective, what is the difference between dreaming and being awake?
     
  15. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    You will get nowhere on a science forum by trotting out the old chestnut of William Paley, after all these years. It has been well observed that the so-called Argument from Design can equally be called the Argument from Personal Incredulity:-

    I, personally, am unable to conceive of how something so complex could arise by the operation of nature: ergo, it must have been "designed" (implicitly, by God).

    On this basis you could argue, with equal validity - or lack of it - that the order in an ice crystal, or in the configuration of electrons in successive element in the Periodic Table, "must" have been created by a designer.

    The task of science is to seek for natural - not supernatural - explanations of what we observe. No amount of religious cant or sloppy logic is going to persuade people otherwise.
     
  16. Landau Roof Registered Senior Member

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    Perhaps then what is needed is a sloppy logic sub-forum.

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  17. BIGFOOT Registered Senior Member

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    Captain Kremmen.........BRAVO!!!!!! YOU GOT IT!! WHAT IN DEED, IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DREAMS ARE BEING AWAKE? NOTHING!!

    That is what I have been trying to point out. There is no difference between dreams and reality of waking up because, just as dream state is an altered state of consciousness, this waking reality is also an altered state of consciousness. Meaning...........we are still asleep! This is want one has to conclude, because QM, has confirmed that everything is entangled at Quantum Realm meaning that even if we are not conscious of this reality, Reality is Unity, just as the Reality of Dream State is United with the dreamer, this waking reality is also united with the observer. Reality is created by the observer. Think about it. But I believe you now see the obvious. Good question!
     
  18. BIGFOOT Registered Senior Member

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    For you dreaming is safe.
     
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    Well I can only quote the experts, just in case you think I am a lone-Ranger

    “I am not an atheist, The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn’t know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws.” Albert Einstein( See M..G.S Viereck Glimpses of the Great,)

    So, even the great acknowledge Intelligent Design.
     
  20. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Is babbling senseless drivel safe for you?
     
  21. BIGFOOT Registered Senior Member

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    We all start with speculation. We speculate, test our speculation. If they are found true in the beginning, we test it again, and again until it becomes obvious.

    We used to speculate that the earth was flat. We were wrong. We used to speculate that matter is made of "things" now, apparently we have been proved wrong. Speculation is a part of the learning process. I am speculating that when we wake up, we are still asleep. You say "duh wrong see"! and you hit an object to show you are awake. But that does not mean you cannot do the same in your dreams.

    A great question has been asked by Captain Kremmen which I never thought I would be asked. He asked; "If sensory experience is subjective, what is the difference between dreaming and being awake?" What indeed?"
     
  22. BIGFOOT Registered Senior Member

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    If I babble the same stuff renown scientists babble.........yeah, its safe
     
  23. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Yet ALL that depends on YOUR biased subjective sensory experience so you not only CANNOT KNOW any of that or KNOW you are correct but YOU have NO BASIS to even suspect you might be correct. ALL you can do is speculate & YOU will never KNOW whether any of your speculating ever approached the truth.
     

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