Ebola, coming to a place near you soon!

Discussion in 'Health & Fitness' started by joepistole, Sep 30, 2014.

  1. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    From the same source as the first graph.


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  3. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Many years ago I had a young man from China working for me. Unknown to me he was under treatment for TB when he came to work for me.

    It turned out his physician under treated him and his TB became drug resistant. His family was removed from his home and he was placed in quarantine.

    I was out of the office, in Atlanta when the news broke. It was on the news when I got back into town. We tested everyone in our 5 story office, mostly to make people feel better. As I expected no one tested positively.

    TB is not as contagious as Ebola nor is it as deadly and TB is curable. So in my opinion the answer is a clear no. You really need prolonged exposure to get TB.

    One more thing TB is a bacteria and doesn't mutate as quickly as viruses do. TB has been around for a long time. It is much less a threat compared to something like Ebola.

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  5. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    TB is more contagious than Ebola since it can be transmitted via airborne means.
    Both TB and Ebola are curable, as the 20% death rate for Ebola in the US demonstrates.

    Looks like you have a touch of Fearbola yourself.
     
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  7. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    LOL if Ebola is curable, where is the cure?

    Two, you are cherry picking your death rates. WHO and the CDC put the Ebola death rate at 90%.
     
  8. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    So far, it is a combination of supportive care, serum transfusions and Zmapp.
    OK, so let's go worldwide. How many people died of TB in 2013? How many people died of Ebola in 2013 and 2014 combined?
     
  9. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    There is no cure. All those people in West Africa got supportative therapy too. You don't need much technology to give an IV.

    Serum transfusions and ZMAPP are experimental. They haven't been proven to cure Ebola. Not to mention, our supply of ZMAPP has been exhausted. And it will be several months before more is produced, and even then it will not be enough.

    This epidemic began earlier this year. So comparing it to a year in which there was no epidemic is more than a little disingenuous don't you think?
     
  10. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Untrue on the face of it, since people have been cured. It would be accurate to say that the cures are experimental.
    You just said "let's not cherrypick." So let's not cherrypick. How many people died of TB in 2013? How many people died of Ebola in 2013 and 2014 combined? Are you able to answer that question without cherrypicking? If not let me know and I will answer it for you, and do a short comparison of the risks of someone in your family dying of TB vs Ebola.
     
  11. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Just because the mortality rate isn't 100%, it doesn't mean there is a cure.

    Comparing Apple to Apple's isn't cherry picking. You are trying to compare Apple's to horses.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_virus_disease
     
  12. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    If you treat someone with something, and it cures them, that's a cure, by definition. It doesn't always work, of course. (with Ebola OR TB.)

    So you weren't able to answer the question. (Not your fault; Fearbola can affect your brain.) So I will answer it for you.
    2013 + 2014 Ebola cases/deaths - 9222/4558 (source - WHO) Fatality rate - 49%
    2013 TB cases/deaths - 9000000/1500000 (source -WHO) Fatality rate - 16%

    Relative odds someone in your family will be exposed to either disease: 975 times more likely to be exposed to TB
    Relative odds that they will be exposed to either disease and contract it (assuming same transmission likelihood*) - 975 times more likely to contract TB than Ebola
    Relative odds that they will be exposed to either disease, contract it and die - 318 times more likely to die of TB

    So if the safety of your family is your goal, you are hundreds of times better off stopping travel from Afghanistan, Brazil, China, India, Indonesia, the Philippines, the Russian Federation, South Africa, Thailand, Viet Nam and Zimbabwe (all hotbeds of TB) than Western Africa.

    (* - TB is much more contagious; I will equate them for the purpose of discussion. Of course in the real world you are far more likely to contract TB.)
     
  13. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    No if you treat someone with something and they get better, it doesn't mean the treatment curried the disease. That is why we have trials. The "cures" you mention haven't under gone testing. We are throwing shot at the walls in desperation and hoping something sticks. That is far from a cure.

    As previously and repeatedly pointed out and validated with sources and references Ebola is more deadly and more infectious than TB.
     
  14. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Another Ebola outbreak in The US. A DOCTOR in New York has tested positive for Ebola and is hospitalized. Now the question is how many , if any, has he infected.
     
  16. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Well Texas is the American version of West Africa.. poor healthcare, troubled infrastructure, etc.
     
  17. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    It's almost like the virus knew where to go.
    What happens if poor people get it?
    Will they be able to get free treatment?
    Those isolation wards look expensive.

    Perhaps they could quarantine off the slum areas.

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  18. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    OK then. In that case, since no real cures were used on people infected with Ebola in the US, and the fatality rate so far is 1 in 8, then the real fatality rate in the US is 12%.
    Fearbola strikes again. TB is far more infectious. The CDC and the WHO agree.
     
  19. youreyes amorphous ocean Valued Senior Member

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    well NYC got Ebola now...how is stopping the contamination going to work?
     
  20. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Definitely. Curing Ebola is something that has such benefits for the entire US that it's crazy to NOT treat people. (And fortunately New York is not Texas, so the likelihood of crazy goes down.)
     
  21. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Cherry picking much? Is that the same CDC that said we are prepared for Ebola? Is that the same CDC which issued the protocols which resulted in multiple infections? Is that the same CDC that said any American hospital was ready to handle Ebola? Was that the same CDC that failed to enact measures to prevent Ebola entering this country?

    Where is your evidence WHO agrees with you? I bet It is with the cure.
     
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  22. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Prediction. No doctors or nurses will be infected by the disease in the treatment of the patient in New York.

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    Crossed posts. We agree.
     
  23. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    America needs a proper free at the point of service healthcare system
    This mess is really showing the cracks.
     

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