What we see in the sky is history?

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by Saint, Oct 21, 2014.

  1. Saint Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,752
    When we are talking about "thousands, millions light years" away,
    the stars/galaxy that we see in the telescope,
    are they history?
     
  2. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  3. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    23,198
    In stead of "history" their light is a picture not very detailed of the distant past there, but it is detailed enough to be quite confident that the physic governing structures (as reflected in energy levels of atoms and large collections there of, called galaxies) back then and there, was like it is here and now. That is not saying that the universe is static - only that its changes seem to be controlled by the same natural laws we know. I. e. Those laws seem to be static. Assuming that is true, then we have been able to write the history of the universe for last about 13 billion years and predict its future at least that far into the future.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Oct 21, 2014
  4. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  5. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    33,264
    Yes, many of those stars that telescopes see are now dead but the light from them is only now being seen here on Earth.
     
  6. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  7. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    27,543

    Every time we look at the Sun, we are seeing it as it was 8.25 minutes ago....
    We look at Alpha Centauri, and we are seeing it as it was 4.5 years ago....
    We look at M31 and we are seeing it as it was 2.5 million years ago.
    So yeah, it's history.
     
  8. Landau Roof Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    598
    History, mystery, majesty!
     
  9. Saint Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,752
    how about black hole?
     
  10. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    5,051
    What about a black hole?
     
  11. youreyes amorphous ocean Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,830
    Could it also be that we cannot see stars farther than 13.8 billion light years away because past that point nothing existed?
     
  12. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    5,051
    Older than 13.8 billion years, but yes....

    Those objects are about 46.6 billion light years away.
     
  13. precious Registered Member

    Messages:
    55
    so we are future.
     
  14. youreyes amorphous ocean Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,830
    to the stars perspective we are their past, the light from us has reached them and they have seen our death.
     
  15. precious Registered Member

    Messages:
    55
    wow.
    nothingness - Big Bang - History - Earth - Life - Precious
     
  16. precious Registered Member

    Messages:
    55
    what do you mean by saying "Light from us". yes we will be dead when sun light reach those far stars.
     
  17. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    27,543

    The Observable Universe is around 46 billion L/years radius.
    You have neglected spacetime expansion.
    Beyond that point, the Universe certainly exists, but is causally disconnected from us due to the expansion rate exceeding or equaling light.
     
  18. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    27,543

    Not really. From M31's perspective, we are 2.5 million years in the past.

    There is no Universal now.
     
  19. RajeshTrivedi Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,525
    M31 is 2.5 mly away from us....

    So today of us, will be seen by M31 after 2.5 mly...So technically our present is M31's future as will be seen to them after 2.5 mly. So when an observer at M31 sees our light of now after 2.5 mly then we will be his past. As of now M31 has no means to see our present. They are seeing Paranthropous, if at all they could see light from Earth.
     
  20. Saint Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,752
    A galaxy which we see 13.8 Billions light years ago,
    at this moment, what is it exact location?
    Should be more than 13.8B, right?
     
  21. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    5,051
    As we said: 46 billion ly.
     
  22. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    33,264
    The best estimate of the age of the universe as of 2013 is 13.798 ± 0.037billion years but due to the expansion of space humans are observing objects that were originally much closer but are now considerably farther away (as defined in terms of cosmological proper distance, which is equal to the comoving distance at the present time) than a static 13.8 billion light-years distance.It is estimated that the diameter of the observable universe is about 28 billion parsecs (93 billion light-years), putting the edge of the observable universe at about 46–47 billion light-years away.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...zoCgDw&usg=AFQjCNE8c1P5g4L771McmHrDjbT7Xi65TQ
     
    precious likes this.
  23. Saint Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,752
    What is the "force" or "pressure" to expand the universe (like a balloon) , every movement need kinetic energy, from where the universe gets the energy to do this "work"?
     

Share This Page