The Absolute and The Upanishads

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  1. Spellbound Banned Valued Senior Member

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    It is meant to enlighten on the three groups of people. The three types. Because if you think about it, humanity really only has three types of people.
     
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    I'm sure that may justify evil acts in your view, but that still does not justify such acts which evil people do that are irredeemable.
     
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  5. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah?
    Where do gingers fit in those "three types"?
     
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  7. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    How many evil demoniac people do YOU know? Right..you don't know any personally but they're all out there somewhere. Same old Christian sin crap. Same old "hell will be brimming over but I don't know anyone who will be there" BS.
     
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  8. Sylvester Registered Senior Member

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    Personally? NONE. But that is being optimistic.

    The atheists are angry because the Bible (New Testament) is better than Shakespeare (SP).

    Edit: NOT making any religious comparisons. I am somewhat agnostic, not an atheist though. Not that, imop, there is anything wrong with that.
     
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  9. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Apart from being untrue it's also based a subjective assessment that appears to be your own.
    IOW it's not valid.

    WTF?
    Why mention agnosticism while declaring you're not an atheist?
     
  10. Sylvester Registered Senior Member

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    I just had a feeling this was true.
     
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  12. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    I prefer to think that there are 10 types: those who understand binary and those who don't.

    Anyhoo - it is not particularly enlightening: it is a rather arbitrary division of the populace into categories aimed at trying to make a point but without any support whatsoever for that point.

    Personally I find your posts to be preachy, with no actual content of your own.
    I wish you would stop preaching and actually engage in discussion using your own thoughts on the subject matters you raise.
    But I guess we don't always get what we wish for.

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  13. Spellbound Banned Valued Senior Member

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    Evil is a reality. You cannot just sweep certain actions under the rug and hope they'll have no effect on reality. Reality is real.
     
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    What you call evil is called Dukha, miser, and can be removed. It is not eternal. But yes, Dukha is real, it may be physical or mental. Therefore we don't have a place for for saviour who needs to die for us.
     
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    NT better than Shakespeare? In what respect. It is an example of how not to write a book
     
  16. Xanthippe Registered Member

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    This is all spiritual hogwash from some cult gurus popularizing pop.hinduism.

    The idea of the three groups is nothing novel; Plato in his republic describes the three strands of natural dispositions that differentiate people - the rule by reason, passion, and appetite. Bhagavad Gita describes the same as sattva, rajas, tamas.
    Further ref.: McEvilley's Shape of Ancient Thought is an excellent book on ancient philosophical parallels between east and west.

    Upanishads are introspective meditations on the Vedas which focussed on outer space; the Upanishads shift to inner space.
    www.sacred-texts.com has all the major vedic and upanishad texts.

    The nature of the 'absolute' in the Vedic-Upanishads, the brahman is properly defined as 'neti, neti' - 'not this, not this' - which was originally meant to convey any identification with anything as the absolute as "this is it" is an ignorance and an error as abs. does not exist. All that can be said to describe the absolute is "it is not this, it is not this.' But this phrase by the seer yajnavalkya got perverted and popularized to mean like the neo-platonists that the abs. is all perfection, blemishless, bountiful, etc. which is only an ideal to strive towards, and brahman properly, with the root *brh- meaning "to swell" symbolized the potency of growth and the potential and possibilities life opens. As a state of consciousness, Parabrahman is not abs. omniscience, but a conceptual ideal/standard for the max. pattern in the interconnectivities of life and scope of order one can intuit with the least effort. It is a measure of how refined you can cultivate your filters to grasp the subtlest connections and 'causal' threads, which is what they mean by 'extinguishing of consciousness' - and not as it has come to mean dissolution of one's ego.
     

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