Maybe space isn't expanding at all!

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by JukriS, Sep 27, 2014.

  1. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    I most certainly can say its bullshit, simply because [1] you have no evidence supporting your nonsense, and [2] We have plenty of evidence showing that the Universe/spacetime was a hotter, denser place in the past, and [3] you refuse to undergo peer review of your nonsensical claims.
     
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  3. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Your opinion counts for naught.
    We have evidence supporting the BB and expansion, not the least being both the BB and SR/GR are condusive and supportive of each other.
    And if that's what your ToE supports, then like the other three ToE's and their claimants, you really do need to get it reviewed.

    Absolutely amazing, that the scientific world and Cosmology has been working there butts off, and still are working there butts off, to try and come up with a validated observable ToE, yet "Sciforums inc" has four of them!!!

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  5. JukriS Registered Senior Member

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    We have evidence for expanding concentrations!

    there is prove for expanding information already!

    old expanding information is redshifteď!

    god dont emit expanding information!

    angels dont emit expanding information!

    curving space dont emit any information!

    expanding space dint emit expanding information!

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  7. JukriS Registered Senior Member

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    Why you dont have TOE?

    because curving space, expanding space and extra dimensions srecwrong ideas!

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  8. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    No not at all....We simply don't have a TOE as yet because it is rather difficult to combine QM and GR, but its being worked on.
    You got your nonsense peer reviewed yet?

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  9. JukriS Registered Senior Member

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    Universe is not difficult or the complex!

    Eternal and infinity Universe is easy and very simple!

    Eternal recycling is answer!

    it is key for theory of everything!

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  10. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    That's nice....And it remains just garbled unmitigated unsupported crap, until you get it peer reviewed.
    The whole scientific community knows the Universe/spacetime, evolved by expansion from a hotter, denser state.
    You are not part of that science community obviously
     
  11. JukriS Registered Senior Member

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    Do you have any idea why phtons start moving? Why photons start moving right a way with speed of light?

    No you dont have!

    Do you have any idea why all photons moving with same speed?

    No you dont have!

    All expanding photons moving with same speed and if some expanding photons moving with other speed, other same direction moving expanding phtons interactive with this expanding photons and finally all photons moving with same speed!

    There is expanding movement which pushing out from expanding nucleus of atoms all a time and that expanding movement have a nature of expanding photons and also nature of expanding electrons!

    So, that expanding energy / movement have a potentially to get born new expanding photons or new expanding electrons if there coming some outside energy / movement which get that zillions expanding densers, which pushing out from expanding nucleus of atoms, expanding same time very fast, when can born new expanding photon or new expanding electron!

    Question how much there is outside movement / energy and how near expanding nucleus of atoms it can go before is meet expanding densers from expanding nucleus of atoms!

    So, there is pushing out zillions expanding densers from expanding nucleus of atoms, but this densers moving together like waves!

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  12. JukriS Registered Senior Member

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    Well, material can be hot or cold!
    Substance may be hot or cold!

    Material may be dense or dense low!

    Space is eternal and infinity place which is nothing!

    Space cant be hot or cold!

    Space is nothing!

    Space dont changing at all!

    material changing in space which is not changing at all!

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  13. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Not worth commenting on.
    Reads like a child's fairy tale!

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  14. JukriS Registered Senior Member

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    Finnish word is TIHENTYMÄ
    Tihentymä = Concentration = Denser = Condensation
    Denser is area in space where is more movement what outside that area
    That movement moving some direction, but same time inside that movement is sik sak / fro movement.
    Like star is big denser, but there is billions and billions small expanding densers which recycling all a time expanding movement.
    So, expanding star moving some direction, but same times inside expanding star is fro / sik sak movement between expanding densers which recycling expanding movement!
    Same times there is all behind movement from faraway outside visible universe and that movement speed is extremely fast!
    There is many level movement "in" eternal and infinity space which nothing!
    Many level movement, but just three dimensions!
    No extra dimensions!
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    Many level expanding movement

    Between expanding supergroups.

    Between expanding galaxygroups.

    Betwen expanding galaxys.

    Between expanding stars.

    Between expanding nucleus of atoms.

    Between expanding protons and expanding neutrons.

    Between expanding quarks.

    Between expanding densers which form expanding quarks.

    etc.

    and dont forget all behind movement which moving between extremely massive concentrations which recycling eternal thing.

    We are also all behind movement, but this time we are very density and slowly all behind movement!

    After thousands of billions or millions of billions years we are extremely fast and not so density all behind movement which is not expanding not so much anymore.

    And finally we are going to pushing some area where is extremely pressure and we are going to get that extremely density thing expanding with our extremely fast speed movement / pushing force!

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    And the fairy tale continues......Hans Christain Anderson, eat your heart out!

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  16. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    Ah, the beauty of pseudoscience, it is just so damn easy. You can just make up something and any evidence that doesn't flat our refute your idea, you count as supporting and any refuting evidence you ignore.

    Any difficult questions? Just ignore them or make up an asinine excuse not to answer them.

    No stinking math is need to support a pseudoscience idea.

    Logic? Who the hell needs logic.

    Experiemental evidence - unnecessary.

    Observations? Well if it refutes your idea then you say the observations are in error - or you ignore it.
     
  17. forrest noble Registered Senior Member

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    I forgot to mention the Big Bang (BB) model in my list of "illogical" theories. The BB theory requires expanding space, dark matter, dark energy, along with the ad hoc hypothesis of Inflation to stay afloat.

    I wrote a 370 book on theoretical cosmology and physics so I'm no amateur. I've been a theoretical cosmologist, physicist, and theorist for over 40 years. You can read my theories online, collectively called the Pan Theory, or at my website pantheory.org, a complete version of my book. The main point of my theories has been that key observations have been misinterpreted over the last century or so, according to my many examples and explanations, causing modern physics and cosmology to be unnecessarily complicated. Because of this most concepts and theories that on their surface seem to be illogical, are probably wrong based upon simpler, more likely interpretations. In this case we are talking about the expanding, warping, and bending of space.
     
  18. forrest noble Registered Senior Member

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    There are many people besides myself and the others you know of, that have alternative theories of cosmology. A few of these might rightfully be called Theories of Everything. Below is a link to a list by Rational Wiki of some of these more published theories/hypotheses. Most, including my own, the Pan Theory, are only known by those who have read related books, technical publications, websites, or scientific research papers.

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alternative_cosmology
     
  19. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Forect, I'm pretty damn sure, if any of those theories matched observational data better then the incumbent theory, they would not be lurking in the wilderness.
     
  20. forrest noble Registered Senior Member

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    "Lurking in the wilderness," I like that

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    The primary problem with getting known is getting mainstream astronomers, theorists, to read alternative theories. Most are simply not interested for good reasons since most such theories are not scientifically written, and lack supporting mathematics. Another problem is the difficulty of promoting a new theory. Unless one has some support by at least a few interested astronomers or theorists, it will seemingly forever remain unknown. To get their attention requires a lot of work, time, and money. Just the right experiment properly promoted could do it, of course. Predictions are only important if the mainstream knows of them, or if they predict something quantitatively totally contrary to the mainstream model and other known theories.

    Some of the most famous theorists became famous because their family finances allowed them to do independent research and the funds to properly promote their findings and theories. Some PhD's have had the prerogative to follow their own inclinations of study and research, but most must simply follow directions and the grant money, wherever it takes them. Some PhD's are also alternative theorists. Those that are employed within the system have little time to pursue independent research. Those that work outside the system often have little money to promote their own research or theories. When they are retired few have the energy.

    The main problem with modern physics theories, I believe, is not with the matching of theory with observation, the problem lies with the interpretations of related observations. Many or most alternative theorists would agree, I expect.
     
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  21. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Are you, or have you been, employed as a cosmologist or a physicist?
    How much does your book sell for?
    Or are you trying to redefine "amateur".

    It doesn't mean your output is valid.
     
  22. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    :shrug: Interpretations, Interpretations.....
    Sure, situations such as you have listed no doubt do exist......and certainly at times and in a couple of cases, peer review has been less then satisfactory, but in the greater scheme of things, I believe, truth [or as close to it as we are able to get] Interpretations, and the present cosmological models are the best available and do a reasonable job.
    Of course those with alternative theories would agree in total with what you have said, but just as obvious is the fact that they have an agenda.
    In a cosmological world waiting for an eventual observationally verified TOE, and the fact that over the last 12 months we have had four of them on this forum, tells me that delusions, quackery, and crap is more then likely to be the case.
    And if the "truth" does exist within someones alternative hypothesis, then speaking for myself, I would not let that hinder me in any way.
    I would be forcefully banging on Hawking's, Thorne's, or one of the other giants door...And I wouldn't be going until they gave it a thourough going over.
     
  23. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    I also would be interested in that.

    PS: Apologies to Forest for the mispelling of your name earlier...Too late to change.
    I need to post with less haste and more care

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