Maybe space isn't expanding at all!

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  1. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    The only prejudices existing is your own "delusions of grandeur " and "tall poppy syndrome"

    And yes I have heard of the "shrinking rulers"interpretation and just as quickly seen it discarded as pseuscientific crap.
    Think Planck length and volume, and associated nonsensical happenings, particularly the CMBR, increasing temperatures etc ...We just do not observe it that way to align with already known data.
    Try again Folzy.

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  3. FOLZONI Registered Senior Member

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    I had written in reply to origin: Suffice to say then that, trapped in their own prejudices, the Einstein's relativity & Big Bang believers are continually "becoming more dense"!

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    Batman having to come to Robin's rescue I see!

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    The "shrinking rulers" demonstrates that Einstein's SR defies scientific understanding because it denies the difference between matter, space & time! Why? (Since I am no doubt eventually going to be called a Fascist etc. for attacking Einstein, I quote the following from Friedrich Engels Anti-Duehring I:5 (Natural Philosophy: Time & Space).

    What Engels says about measuring time applies equally to space i.e. the measurement apparatus has to be something different from the thing to be measured (as Derrida would agree as I point out in the Non-Monist Materialism thread). Einstein however denies difference since the measuring rulers can shrink along with the length contraction applied to objects, hence the Einsteinian can serve up whatever suits him to win any particular argument since the Einsteinian can now both affirm and deny that the measurement rulers shrink. Remember what I wrote elsewhere about the Einsteinians forever shifting the goalposts in their own interests!

    To get back to the topic - space is not expanding because if it were the measuring rulers would be expanding along with it hence it would be undetectable. And if you assert to the contrary - which you can legitimately do - that the measuring rulers are not expanding along with space then we can just as readily conclude that the universe is static in size while any object within it (Milky Way or measuring ruler or human being) is ever-shrinking!

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  5. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Absolute rubbish, as everyone has told you.
    Now if you have any evidence to support your claims then "get it peer reviewed"

    Just in that short paragraph of yours, you have shown your complete ignorance of GR.
    But you can show me if I'm wrong.......see those four bolded words up a bit?

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  7. FOLZONI Registered Senior Member

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    Hmmm! Interesting comment....
    ...since it implies that members of the Sciforums are essentially incapable of making such peer assessments themselves - both individually & collectively!

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    Amazing (considering my previous warning in the Einstein Fizeau thread) that you should rush to such deprecatory & dismissive judgments on Sciforum members so prematurely, paddo ol' boy! But then again, perhaps you know them better than I do, since you have been around here much longer!

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  8. JukriS Registered Senior Member

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    Do you need pulling force for shrinking densers theory?

    if, how you explain pulling force?

    If not, how you explain shrinking densers get the smaller and smaller?

    i think, quarks thermal expansion is better idea, because then we dont need pulling force at all!

    it is easy to explain where outside movement coming from etc!

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  9. FOLZONI Registered Senior Member

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    That is a difficult one JukriS.
    Gravity seems to be a pulling force but describing it as a field as Newton does turns it into a description rather than a push-pull situation.

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    Quarks are not correct though as they are speculative entities hypothesized to inhabit neucleons, relying on relativity for their mathematical conjuring in the first place.

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    But gotta go now, my taxi just honked...!

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  10. PhysBang Valued Senior Member

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    I know this guy now, he's an actual anti-semite. Ignore. If possible in this software.
     
  11. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    Who has he been before? I get the idea I should know him, too..
     
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  14. PhysBang Valued Senior Member

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    I think he's gone by TFOLZO. Cited anti-semetic literature favorably, used as line of attack on Einstein.
     
  15. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    It implies no such thing.
    Each member on this forum can make his own peer review assessments. eg: Most here have assessed your posts as nonsensical in the extreme, in most cases.
    Obviously some of those assessments are from learned people...Others are from lay people such as myself, who although capable of sorting out the sheep from the goats, am lacking in mathematical verifications and proper expertise.
    You also seem to fit into that category.
    And of course we all know these forums are open to all and sundry, so while I am able to recognise the intelligent ones here, and the peer review assessments they have passed on your nonsense posts, proper peer review through the proper channels is essential for you to maintain any credibility in what our online experts here, see as nonsense.
    Hope that helps.
     
  16. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    Cool. I don't remember that one, but now I have fodder for a search.
     
  17. JukriS Registered Senior Member

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    Quarks thermal expanding all a time



    All behind movement can go much deeper inside expanding quarks and it get the expanding quarks expanding all a time!

    When expanding quarks are twice bigger, there is moving twice more all behind densers inside expanding quarks!

    I dont have enaf words and i dont have time to make better videos, so if you found out what i try to tell, lets make a better video with better english with time!Love

    Movement from visible universe expanding nucleus of atoms cant go so deep inside expanding nucleus of atoms what all behind movement can go!

    All behind movement is extremely fast movement which can go through visible universe very very quickly!When all behind movement moving many expanding quarks through, is finally slow down speed and stay in some expanding quarks and thats the way expanding quarks get all a time more and more expanding movement from outside!Love

    Movement from expanding nucleus of atoms get thermal expansion what we can realise!Movement from far away outside visible universe is so extremely fast movement, that is get thermal expansion deep inside expanding quarks!Love
     
  18. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Firstly I have some sympathy with you problem in expressing yourself...
    Secondly I have no sympathy with anyone claiming Einstein and all the giants that have come after him are Idiots.
    Again, I'll keep on repeating myself, as long as you chose to ignore....
    You have no evidence whatsoever to support your claims, in fact a lot of it defies common sense and logic....
    And if you think you do have something genuine to offer, that invalidates present cosmology, or any other model with supporting evidence, then "Get it peer reviewed"
     
  19. JukriS Registered Senior Member

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    I think time / movement is my friend!

    just like movement was Galileos friend, you know!

    Galileo already knew many years that Earth moving, but he could not prove that!

    Galileo taught / teach many years wrong theory, even he knew is wrong theory!

    But time was Galileos friend!

    Finally he heard about magic pipe and end is history!

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  20. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    That's nice, but you are not a Galileo.
    And again you ignore the peer review option!
    That alone tells me that all you have is bullshit...sorry.
     
  21. JukriS Registered Senior Member

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    Thats nice, but i think, you cant say, is my idea bullshit or not!

    Maybe it is or maybe it is not!

    but anyway, shit is very goog movement for plant which pushing out from Earth skin, you know or maybe not!

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  22. forrest noble Registered Senior Member

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    Thanks for your love.

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    You are right, space does not expand at all. But the concept is now considered a necessary part of the Big Bang model. As you state, the concept is wrong and totally illogical IMO. Until the BB model and General Relativity (and Quantum Theory for good measure) are all replaced we will have to continuously listen to these illogical concept, of space expanding, warping, bending etc. Of course this does not mean that related equations based upon these concepts are necessarily wrong, only that the foundation concepts and theory behind them are wrong, if in fact space is only the distance between matter -- which is my preferred definition of it.

    regards, Forrest
     
  23. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    Poor Forrest he will have to listen to these "illogical concepts" (illogical in that he cannot understand them) for the rest of his life and will only be able to commiserate with uneducated confused like minded people.
     
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