Non-Monist Materialism

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  1. FOLZONI Registered Senior Member

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    No edit button has appeared for me to add a missing parenthesis to the last paragraph above. It should read: (an independent question since inertial forces experienced by the spaceship are independent of the distance travelled),...

    Dear Sarkus,

    The underlying point, which I do not make clearly enough above, is that the outcomes of applying Einstein's relativity are entirely perspectival, entirely observer dependent. If two ranks of synchronized clocks A & B are in mutual motion, according to SR it is the 'other guy's' clocks that are moving and are therefore time dilated. Observers with clock rank A will find that B's clocks are relatively slow. Conversely, clock rank B observers will find that clocks A are all relatively slow. The result depends SOLELY on the perspective of the observer hence there is no objective truth. All truth (so-called), all facts become subjective, i.e. subject to motion.

    That is, we have: Clocks B slower than clocks A according to A-based observers. Clocks A slower than clocks B according to B-based observers. The situation, once again, expressible as "Batman is taller than Robin AND Robin is taller than Batman." I don't live in that fantasy world (though I can watch it on TV) and I don't think you do either Sarkus.

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  3. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    That is true for 2 obeservers in different reference frames. If this is something that you don't like, I guess you are just going to have to learn to accept it or live in fantasy.

    Looking at the twin example. One twin accelerates to a new intertial frame. Now in these different inertial frames each will see the others clock as moving slower. When the traveling twin returns to the other twins inertial frame, the traveling twin will find that he has has experienced less passage of time than the stationary twin. This occurs because the traveling twin is the one that has accelerated to the new frame and then decelerated to the original frame. I assume you know this but this knowledge would get in the way of you trolling.
     
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  5. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    It's not called the theory of Relativity for nothing...

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    Correct - they are relative. Why is this an issue for you? Why is the absence of an objective truth in this regard an issue? Who is to say that time, or matters of time, are necessarily objective in nature?
    I live in reality (for the moment, at least) irrespective of what our understanding of it might be. At present I see no reason to reject Einstein's notions due to the unintuitive nature of conclusions drawn from them: the theory seems to predict results of experiments fairly accurately, and I am not aware of a more rational explanation that fits the observations.

    If you are concluding that "Batman is taller than Robin AND Robin is taller than Batman", and you see that as an impossible paradox, then perhaps it is your understanding along the way such that you have arrived at an incorrect conclusion?
     
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  7. river

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    from the perspective of any object , the object didn't change
     
  8. Xanthippe Registered Member

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    Time does not exist any "where".
    The brain interprets phenomena, according to differential rates of (inter)activity which existence Is.
    Time is a measurement of this relative change perceived by our consciousness.
     

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