Misconceptions of Time

Discussion in 'Physics & Math' started by Nightshift, Mar 4, 2014.

  1. Nightshift Banned Banned

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    Not at all, it's not too advanced at all and when I have time, I will write something up even you could understand.
     
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  3. Nightshift Banned Banned

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    I just thought you'd feel more at home on common ground.
     
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  5. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    Math is a human creation, which is a very useful tool. If we leave out math, how would you define time, so we get a natural definition? What we currently do is claim time is natural, but use the synthetics of math, as proof. Math is a tool that depends on time and came after woods. It is like saying I just made a robot (math) that looks like a man, I will use this robot, to prove human biology. It makes it hard to come to truth, since the explanation begins synthetic and loops back to prove itself.

    If we leave out all math concepts, we can still observe the effects of time. Time can still be observed in the context of change, such as the change of the seasons, the aging of a person, the melting of the ice, etc. One of these observed changes (seconds hand on a clock) then becomes the standard by which we then extrapolate time with math; velocity. If we did not have a change of state, in the twin paradox of relativity, we would not need math. The math is there to model the change of state due to relativity.

    If we begin with any change of state, time would be connected to all the dynamics that cause this change. This is why time is in so many equations needed to define all source of change. There are many possible dynamics for various changes, such as energy, entropy, momentum, force, potentials, etc. Since each of these involve time, time is more than a simple thing. These all have time in common, so there is an overlap at the level of time. I prefer the concept of time potential, since this connect all the above, and can use any or all of the math variables.

    An interesting exercise is to solve each of the equations of physics, that has the units of time, such as energy, force, momentum, velocity, etc., for time. They don't all come out the same when solved for time. Time in math is defined in different ways for different occasions. This exercise meant to me that time is more than any one thing, but needs to include all these parts. I call this summation time potential.
     
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  7. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    I don't recall any personal attacks against you, at least not during your current incarnation.
     
  8. Uncle Pythagoras Banned Banned

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    Of course its maths. If I put that into a computer program you get speed from distance. I wrote a program last week to test the speed of photons, and I just used distance, because photons travel at a distance. Never heard of action at a distance? When you get down to photons you are only left with distance between wormholes. Speed is then a strobe light of distance through wormholes. You are at the final stage of speed... distance. Christmas tree strobe speed. Acceleration is to move the distances apart. And C is the distance from a tachyon into a hole, and out again. The hole has distance, and all of its propagators have distance. The bump force then travels through the wormhole... A Newtons cradle... propagation by distance.

    All these distances are required for propagation of energy. Nothing can move without being local. Nothing can cross a gap in space. So all movement becomes distance.
    The program I wrote was for Motor Daddy's box. I separated photons to get speed by propagated distance. All of the physics are cyclic, and end up working together like a weather cycle.
    http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?140954-Motor-Daddy-s-Ridiculous-Box&p=3165957&viewfull=1#post3165957
     
  9. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

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    [Sigh] What's sad here is I think I understand what you are saying better than you do. I genuinely feel sad for you that you aren't apparently capable of a simple mathematical thought. But here's what you are trying to say:

    -You first tried to use distance along a circumference to describe the sun's motion as the earth rotates. Calculating a circumference requires a linear distance for a radius (the earth's orbit diameter), but if you did the math what you'd end up seeing is the linear distances cancelling-out, leaving you with angles. So angular distances are what you really want.

    -The sun has an angular diameter of about half a degree. Since a day is 24 hours and a circle is 360 degrees, that's 15 degrees/hr or 30 sun diameters/hr (360/24=15, 15/.5=30).

    -So what you are really after is to say that the car moves 60 miles in the same time it takes the sun to move 30 angular diameters (or 15 degrees).

    That's all fine, but it doesn't actually change anything except the units. The math remains the same: s=d/t. All you've done is to invent a new time unit equal to the time it takes the sun to move 30 diameters. We'll call this unit the Uncle Pythagoras (UP for short) in your honor. So the math now looks like this:

    s=d/t

    Given:
    Distance = 60 miles (mi)
    Time = 1 UP

    Calculating speed:
    60 mi / 1 UP = 60 mi/UP

    So that's what you were trying to say and that's what the math looks like. Nothing has changed except the name of the unit (conveniently, 1 UP = 1 hr).

    You can't make time disappear by changing the name of the unit.
     
  10. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

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    I await with bated breath.
     
  11. Uncle Pythagoras Banned Banned

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    Why did you put time back in again? Change is cyclic, it propagates itself. You don't need the word time, you always take the measurement in the present.
     
  12. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

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    I didn't put it back in, it never left. All you did is create a new time unit to replace the "hour". Using a different word to describe it doesn't change what it is.

    So again: if you can remove the time from this problem, show me the math!
     
  13. Uncle Pythagoras Banned Banned

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    All you did is create a new time unit to replace the "hour"... yes that's what you asked for. Time = distance. You keep adding the word time to it. Propagation doesn't work like that.

    I'll tell you what to try. keep breaking units down into smaller, and smaller units. Get deep down into space. Now you may get to the planck scale. How do you get movement at the planck scale? Just say that it is indivisible. The smallest distance you can move is 1 planck. So time = distance. You can't half it, so you have to strobe through it. The physics for the strobe effect are neat, I will let you think about it.
     
  14. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

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    OK, so we seem to be in a bit of a loop here, but it sounds like you are at least acknowledging that what you are saying is all about words and has no impact on the math... which could explain your refusal to post any math. Is that fair?

    [Edit]. Oy. I just looked at your "computer program". Apparently you don't know what a computer program is either.
     
  15. Uncle Pythagoras Banned Banned

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    Time is required for maths, it's too hard to use the physics of space as just physics. But the advantage of knowing the physics of space is to understand the physics of relativity as real physics in 3D. You have a 3D model that you can really build in a computer. So a powerful enough computer can build a real universe. In fact if you are a really good programmer the program will self build the universe for you. That is the advantage. A computer program uses infinite loops, and that is the cyclic form of nature, so computers are very good for this.
     
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    Obviously all that is happening here, is a couple of nuts, showing that they have the "right" to post whatever they want, irrespective of whether it is right, or wrong.
    That uncompromising approach does nothing for science and/or any reality.
    It's a game to them although quite frustrating to those that want to project knowledge and learn.
     
  17. Uncle Pythagoras Banned Banned

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    You want stagnation in science, does that keep you happy? I suppose you are still listening to Elvis Presley, unable to move on. Advocating his music, because change is bad. All of the experiments over the years have led to a huge database of knowledge. We can use that knowledge to advance what we know. How you look at the information depends on who you are. I am using all information in my posts. I never make things up. I just don't have time to show every step of the information that I am using. If you pick any part of a post of mine, I can show you the information that is hidden in it that is on the internet, using NASA, or Wikipedia, or whatever, the information is put together in my model in a different way.

    I call what you have as the Elvis Presley effect. The resistance to change in human nature.
     
  18. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    You have what is known as delusions of grandeur. You have no idea of what you are talking about and yet you go on and on. Many of the people here have a science education and they realize (which I guess you don't) that all you are saying is gibberish and meaningless.

    If this brings you happiness I guess that is good, but I wish you would post in the right section.
     
  19. Uncle Pythagoras Banned Banned

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    A science education would lead to them thinking that all I am saying is gibberish and meaningless. So that's not really an education. Anyway, you are right about one thing, there is no point in me posting in this thread.
     
  20. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, yes, the entire world wide scientific community is wrong and you with no science education have figured it all out. This is what I meant by that whole delusion of grandeur stuff...

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  21. Uncle Pythagoras Banned Banned

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    If all of the maths was backwards that is exactly what would happen. With maths working backwards nobody would notice, so there is a 50/50 chance that I am the only one that is right.
     
  22. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    Wow and your a statistics whiz too!
     
  23. Uncle Pythagoras Banned Banned

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    I'll give you an exercise to do with maths, and physics, just to show you the difference that maths makes with the reverse physics.

    You have a 5 gallon empty bucket
    and 5 gallons of Water

    and you have a 5 gallon bucket full of 5 gallons of water.

    Both are weighed at 40 pounds.

    Both answers have a MASS of about 18 kilograms

    A = 40 pounds
    B = 40 pounds

    You are not told which is which.

    So which answer has the empty bucket involved in it? A or B?
     

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