Thoughts about capitalism

“I really am a pessimist. I've always felt that fascism is a more natural governmental condition than democracy. Democracy is a grace. It's something essentially splendid because it's not at all routine or automatic. Fascism goes back to our infancy and childhood, where we were always told how to live. We were told, Yes, you may do this; no, you may not do that. So the secret of fascism is that it has this appeal to people whose later lives are not satisfactory.” ― Norman Mailer

 

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Fascism really worked out so well for Nazi Germany and Italy. . . NOT.

 

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*Still better than tyrannically hijacked communism. There can be such a system of democratic communism. Communism is not an alternative to democracy, but an alternative to capitalism.

 

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That's a distinction that doesn't get made very often, and it is a very good point.

 

China demonstrates the ability to go two ways being a communist state but using capitalism within itself to make money.

 

China is no longer a communist state. It is an oligarchy that has adopted capitalism.

 

Distinction between socialism and statism:

"One of the reasons conservatives fear socialism is that they confuse it with statism. Socialism means that the productive resources of the economy are used for the benefit of all the people in society, while statism, a fundamentally fascist idea, is that the state itself is a good institution, even the apex of human existence, and all should be run for and by the state. They are not the same thing. Socialism can mean, in a given historical period, large and beneficial government programs like public pensions or health care; but it also means workers cooperatives, community enterprises, and pareconomic councils. It necessarily entails democratic control of economic organizations, large and small. It does not mean that state controls everything with a central bureaucracy. It means that regular people do, with a variety of institutions and organizations."--http://starsthroughthestorm.blogspot.com/2012/02/thought-of-day-statism-vs-socialism.html

 

As a nation China also practices capitalism when competing for international business.

 

Oh is that so. I see the proletariat met, who isn't elected , and decided who the new Communist leader would be from their group of Communist politicians. So if it were NOT a Communist state then how did this take place...magic or something?

Apr 26, 2013 – Zhang Aihua

Zhang Aihua, a Communist party leader in Taizhou City, appears not to have gotten the memo from Mao that “Thrift should be the guiding principle in our government expenditure.” Or, for that matter, the memos from the Chinese government about cracking down on excesses by local leaders. Zhang was enjoying a dinner fit for a worker-oppressing capitalist when suddenly the working class showed up uninvited. Worse yet, they brought cameras. Zhang was soon on a table, shown here, begging the common folk to let him go and apologizing for his excesses.


When the Chinese proletariat showed up Zhang was having a private party with tables stacked with rare Yangtze river fish like poisonous pufferfish, long-tailed anchovy and largehead hairtail as well as imported wine.

As the peasants stormed the banquet hall, Zhang was left looking like a Communist version of Marie Antoinette. He grabbed a bullhorn and began an immediate confession that seemed right out of a reeducation camp from the Cultural Revolution: “I was wrong tonight. Please forgive me. I’ll do anything if you let me go,” he pleaded, according to state media.

What is fascinating is that, while the Chinese still crackdown on independent journalists, they appear to be tolerating such citizen reporters with their cellphone . . . at least when it comes to showing violations of President Xi Jinping’s frugality and anti-corruption drive. It also shows the continuing power of China’s blog and social media sites — though the government continues to crackdown on these sites to impose government control.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...jIDYDg&usg=AFQjCNGhALoh-XLv8QVYewJGZKZs8iszdQ

Care to retract your statement?

 

LOL, uh, let me think really hard. NO.

Perhaps you should look up the definition of communism. Capitalism, the private ownership of goods and services is alive and well in China. Communism in China is dead. The oligarchy is still alive. It doesn't matter what party members want to call themselves. It doesn't matter what they want to say about themselves. It's what they do that matters. Private ownership is alive and well in China. That is why so many corporations have flocked to China and made huge investments in the country. That's called capitalism, not communism.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism

 

They call themselves Communists so therefore they must be Communists even though you seem not to think so.

 

If the gov is at the top of all society and making all virtual decisions, then its surely socialism, no matter if there is small people at the bottom buying stuff.

The day of market forces of capitalism is gone. Big gov runs everything and will.

No matter what you think you see in society, you have no idea how and whom is running it, or making the decisions in that society.

What ever form of socialism it is, its socialism. Capitalism is gone, big gov runs everything.

Look at england(uk). No matter whom labour or conservative get in, they are only admins for the big gov. Its a socialist system no matter which side of the coin is played.

The only place far right exists in this world is in africa, where complete anarchy exists. There is no big country that is not socialism.

Do not ever tell me about capitalism and market forces. Big gov decides what the economy is, they drive what ever economy they want. How the corporations fit into big gov is another matter, and whom actually owns the gov or runs it. Big gov can wreck any economy or they can boost it. Corporations need gov backing to do anything.

But whether you call it fascism or communism or socialism, its all big gov.

Thats all there is, is big gov. Capitalism is gone.

 

I just love how you and your fellow "conservatives" are not phased by reality or Webster's Dictionary.

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The fact is China is no longer a communist country. Capitalism is alive and well in China. Private ownership and enterprise is alive and well in China. That is why private for profit corporations have been falling all over themselves to invest in China for more than 2 decades now.

 

Consider this compromise:

http://www.stirringtroubleinternati...communist-or-capitalist-neither-one-actually/

 

We call ourselves a democracy, so therefore we must all be . . . democrats?

 

We call ourselves Republicans, Democratics and Independents and we live in a Democratic land.

 

. . . with chunks of libertarianism and monarchism thrown in. We've also added elements of socialism (roads, air traffic control) communism (national parks) meritocracy (court system) etc.

Similarly, China is a communist country with elements of capitalism, socialism, meritocracy, democracy etc thrown into the mix. (Note that we're mixing economic systems and systems of government here.) The part of China that is capitalist is huge and is rapidly taking over.

 

At least you state that China has a Communist party, OLD JOE DOESN'T.

I agree with your view up to the national parks, where do you se it being Communist? I'd see it socialist more so.

 

No, that is not what I said. We have a Communist Party in the US, does that make us communists? Of course not.

 

They are owned by the people of the US and are administered by the government.