It’s important to note that not everyone with a mental illness is a threat to society. We shouldn’t be broad brushing everyone with a mental illness. The mentally ill should be treated with respect. Those with illnesses that present a hazard to the community should be treated appropriately to ensure the safety not only of the ill individual but the community as well. And we just don’t have the mechanisms in place to do that today. In my experiences with the mental healthcare system as a former healthcare worker, those that do present a threat do well when institutionalized and as a result are eventually discharged to keep costs down. It’s a never ending cycle. When released they get into trouble again and if they are lucky they get placed back into an institution. And if they are institutionalized, they improve and are subsequently discharged. And the cycle begins again, their mental health declines, a crisis unfolds and they get reinstitutionalized for a time.
I not in any way saying all mentally ill people are threat, I'm saying that we do in fact need systems to diagnose, support and treat them, and that includes long term support.
How does feels to be mentally ill? We can label any one who does not behave as we behave . The Soviets any one who politically disagree with them mentally ill and institutionalized them .
The soviets also believed in universal healthcare, I guess we shouldn't o that to simply because "the soviets" did it? I not asking everyone that mentally ill be institutionalized, I asking for more and cheaper services for the mentally, to detect and help them, and to forbid access of guns to the ones that are of potential safety risk, is that so bad?
I am not a fan of fox news. However I will point out some flaws I see in this (dare I say) reporting. Flashman does not appear to know anyone in the Lanza family "from what I've been told" is hearsay/gossip. Where are the tough questions? Where is one direct source? Nothing about this particular mother indicates she wanted to send him away. Even in the story itself: http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-12-17/national/35864025_1_friend-restaurant-mother But if you read the Washington post article, its not a school to help him, its an unnamed school that seems to suit him: Tyically, a conservatorship is public record so I have my doubts about this story (but it may be different in CT). Commitment for psychiatric is not public record but involves a whole lot more people. Which brings up the question of background checks for gun purchace. Involuntary commitment is usually grounds to deny a firearm purchase. Usually, once the people are dead, these kinds of documents move into public record. I cannot believe Fox wouldnt pursue this under 1st ammendment unless there are no documents to pursue. But yes, law enforcement would look into such rumors during an investigation
I'd be interested I hearing your theory about how I'm responsible for the actions of a person I've never met who lives in a part of the country I've never been to. Lulz.
I wish I'd seen this before Mayan Day, because I agree with you and would have assumed the world really was ending.
So you are not responsible for how you vote? What happened to holding the goverment to account? YOU are responsible for the second idocy YOU are responsible for the fact there are guns readily available and therefore you bare some responsiblity for the conquences
Jeez. Now I'm sitting here trying to figure out how I'm responsible for Asguard. Erk..... more Bourbon please.
In a "cosmic" sense we are all responsible for eachother, since we are collectively inhabiting the same planet, but of course it takes a certain amount of higher consciousness to grasp that and not everybody wants to have that, some prefer Bourbon instead, or a gun. Well the lates rally in this case is the fanatic NRA and hopefully their fanatism will cause an opposite reaction with the people. It's the up and coming "Disarm the idiots!" campaign.
I think it is pretty clear that nothing meaningful is going to come out of the Sandy Hook shooting. There is no way in Hell the Tea Party faction is going to allow meaningful change in the nation’s gun laws. After all, it is the Tea Party that likes to bring their guns to political rallies around the country and they control the House of Representatives. Sandy Hook has been a boom for gun dealers. We go through this cycle every time there is a mass murder involving guns. Try to buy an assualt rifle. You cannot, gun dealers are sold out. They have no assualt rifles to sell. Fools are running around buying assualt rifles at inflated prices thinking President Obama is going to ban assault rifles in the not too distant future. Like I said, that ain't happening for at least another 2 years.
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article15990801.ab I almost didn't believe this, but then remembered the stupidity of Americans. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! They are going to examine Lanzas DNA in search for the gene of EVIL. Maybe there is such a gene that triggers aggressive behaviour, but evil? What is evil? Then again, if we can biologically determine who is a pyschopath, schizophrenic etc, then that would be a benefit for many. But one must always keep in mind that even if a person carry these genes, they can be dormant and not cause any form of syptoms of mental illness until something happens that triggers them off, but that is not an absolute either. That something may never happen, or the person has grown a sense of morality that prevents the emotional and irrational thinking to take over and one can't treat a person as ill in a preventive sense, because that may be the cause of the illness finally breaking out. Some catch 22 scenario. This brings so many questionmarks. Also keep in mind that if humanity decides to eliminate the gene that causes violent behaviour, the war industry would come to end, all sports would be cancelled and procreation by intercourse would no longer be of interest. No intrigues or discussions, no dancing..no nothing. We would become vegetables unable to do anything else but to meditate.
The evil gene, Hitler had it, Walt Disney had it, its existence is well known Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
The irony being, of course, that I'll take the bourbon (and the gun) every time, because I do understand that... and, apparently, more completely than you do.
Ah, the old "I know more than you do"-rant. Please let us all know just how completely you understand everything. Is it because you know the planet is doomed and it matters not anymore what we do or think about it? :bravo:
It's called the warrior gene. If an individual has the gene, it doesn't mean the individual will exhibit criminal behaviors. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy#Genetics "MAO-A Studies have suggested a connection between a variant of the Monoamine oxidase A (MAO-A) gene (dubbed the ‘warrior gene’) and psychopathy.[73][74] In the variant, the allele associated with behavioural traits consists of 30 bases, and produces comparatively less MAO-A enzyme.[75] Low MAO-A activity was found to result in a significantly increased risk of aggression and antisocial behaviour.[76][77][74] The variant was found to vary widely in demographic prevalence among different ethnic groups. 59% of African-American men, 56% of Maori men and 54% of Chinese men carry the MOA-A 3R genetic variant, compared to 34% of Caucasians, suggesting that the former ethnic groups are more genetically predisposed by the MAO-A gene towards aggression or antisocial tendencies compared to other ethnic groups studied.[78][79][80][81]" - Wikipedia
Ok, but that doesn't explain these killingsprees. Or does it? In most cases of mass shootings of this type, the killer has been a young Caucasian male. Maybe the low percentage of the "warrior-gene" causes antisocial behaviour and repressed aggresivity? That suddenly explodes? Maybe it's not aggression that triggers them but something else. Irrational thoughts, sadness, feelings of betrayal etc? I had to read that again...now I'm even more confused. So Caucasians are labelled as more aggressive than others according to this study? Maybe the docile Swedes are an exception to the rule?
