It's confrimed: Matter is a quantum fluctuation

Discussion in 'Physics & Math' started by Magical Realist, Oct 20, 2012.

  1. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    16,706
    So what do you eggheads think about this? ;-)







    It's confirmed: Matter is merely vacuum fluctuations


    "Matter is built on flaky foundations. Physicists have now confirmed
    that the apparently substantial stuff is actually no more than
    fluctuations in the quantum vacuum.


    The researchers simulated the frantic activity that goes on inside
    protons and neutrons. These particles provide almost all the mass of
    ordinary matter.


    Each proton (or neutron) is made of three quarks - but the individual
    masses of these quarks only add up to about 1% of the proton's mass. So
    what accounts for the rest of it?


    Theory says it is created by the force that binds quarks together,
    called the strong nuclear force. In quantum terms, the strong force is
    carried by a field of virtual particles called gluons, randomly popping
    into existence and disappearing again. The energy of these vacuum
    fluctuations has to be included in the total mass of the proton and
    neutron.


    But it has taken decades to work out the actual numbers. The strong
    force is described by the equations of quantum chromodynamics, or QCD,
    which are too difficult to solve in most cases. So physicists have
    developed a method called lattice QCD, which models smooth space and
    time as a grid of separate points. This pixellated approach allows the
    complexities of the strong force to be simulated approximately by
    computer.


    Gnarly calculation


    Until recently, lattice QCD calculations concentrated on the virtual
    gluons, and ignored another important component of the vacuum: pairs of
    virtual quarks and antiquarks.


    Quark-antiquark pairs can pop up and momentarily transform a proton into
    a different, more exotic particle. In fact, the true proton is the sum
    of all these possibilities going on at once. Virtual quarks make the
    calculations much more complicated, involving a matrix of more than
    10,000 trillion numbers, says team member Stephan Dürr of the John
    von Neumann Institute for Computing in Jülich, Germany.


    "There is no computer on Earth that could possibly store such a big
    matrix in its memory," Dürr told New Scientist, "so some trickery
    goes into evaluating it."
    Crunch time


    Several groups have been working out ways to handle these technical
    problems, and five years ago a team led by Christine Davies of the
    University of Glasgow, UK, managed to calculate the mass of an exotic
    particle called the B_c meson.


    That particle contains only two quarks, making it simpler to simulate
    than the three-quark proton. To tackle protons and neutrons, Dürr's

    team used months of time on the parallel computer network at
    Jülich, which can handle 200 teraflops - or 200 trillion
    arithmetical calculations per second.


    Even so, they had to tailor their code to use the network efficiently.
    "We spent an enormous effort to make sure our code would make optimum
    use of the machine," says Dürr.


    Without the quarks, earlier simulations got the proton mass wrong by
    about 10%. With them, Dürr gets a figure within 2% of the value
    measured by experiments.
    Higgs field


    Although physicists expected theory to match experiment eventually, it
    is an important landmark. "The great thing is it shows that you can get
    close to experiments," says Davies. "Now we know that lattice QCD works,
    we want to make accurate calculations of particle properties, not just
    mass."


    That will allow physicists to test QCD, and look for effects beyond
    known physics. For now, Dürr's calculation shows that QCD describes

    quark-based particles accurately, and tells us that most of our mass
    comes from virtual quarks and gluons fizzing away in the quantum vacuum.

    The Higgs field is also thought to make a small contribution, giving
    mass to individual quarks as well as to electrons and some other
    particles. The Higgs field creates mass out of the quantum vacuum too,
    in the form of virtual Higgs bosons.


    So if the LHC confirms that the Higgs exists, it will mean all reality
    is virtual."


    It's confirmed: Matter is merely vacuum fluctuations - physics-math - 20

    November 2008 - New Scientist
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.c... fluctuation&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&prmd=ivns&strip=1
     
  2. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  3. eram Sciengineer Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,877
    but this means that the properties of the vacuum are very real indeed.

    I remember reading that the increase in mass of a proton is due to quarks whizzing about at relativistic speeds.
     
  4. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  5. Emil Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,801
    And the photon is a vacuum fluctuations ?
     
  6. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  7. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    16,706
    I checked the internet on that and apparently, yes, the structure of the photon derives from the quantum fluctuation of fermion/antifermion pairs. I'm certainly open to correction on this by others far smarter than myself though.


    Of late I've been reaching the conclusion,
    long in coming, that the quantum vaccum is simply the mental substrate
    or cosmic Mind that underlies all physical reality. Since matter and
    even light appear to derive their very structure from this infinitely
    creative plenum, one MIGHT call it God, to the extent that there was
    ever anything that WASN'T God. But I would be hard pressed to make it
    fit into the tight anthropocentric mold of traditional
    godhood--typically a father figure or monarch ascribed emotions,
    thoughts, and moral qualities all driven by an especially pathological
    obsession with the human race. Why not? Well we could compare our
    consciousness to that of ant's. Do we have ant emotions, ant thoughts,
    ant morality, ant purposes, or even much interest in the existence of
    ants? No, we are far beyond that. That property I call
    "transpersonality"--of a mind so beyond anything local and human that it
    might as well be absolutely alien to us. I suspect that if we had the
    faintest idea of how many amazing beings there are out there that arise
    out of this great quantum fizz, we would be aghast that we had any
    special purpose at all. In the end maybe there IS no other purpose than
    this endless creation of novel forms and structures in an infinitude of
    possibilities. Would that be enough for us--being mere transient
    products of a mind entertaining itself like a child in front of a
    mirror? Maybe so, if we could grasp that at bottom there really is no
    difference between us and the richly prolific quantum vaccum.
     
    Last edited: Oct 21, 2012
  8. Emil Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,801

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

    I have always known it.
    Light is a wave propagation through vacuum fluctuations and the vacuum is an absolute reference frame.

    Wait a second, dark energy also some vacuum? Or there is dark vacuum?
     
  9. Farsight

    Messages:
    3,492
    Beware of this one guys. The properties of the vacuum are very real indeed, and lattice QCD is serious stuff. But things like "all reality is virtual" is just sensationalist woo. Magical Realist, the structure of the photon does not "derive from the quantum fluctuation of fermion/antifermion pairs". See http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0604169 for something more robust.
     
  10. rpenner Fully Wired Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,833
    It's about 4 years old, but even then the underlying facts are decades old and not specifically news. For example the quark masses from 1995 pdg.lbl.gov/1995/q123.ps ( 1.5 MeV ≲ u ≲ 5.9 MeV, 3.7 MeV ≲ d ≲ 11.1 MeV ) tell much the same story as today pdg.lbl.gov/2012/listings/rpp2012-list-light-quarks.pdf ( 1.8 MeV ≲ u ≲ 3.0 MeV, 4.5 ≲ d ≲ 5.5 MeV ) [ Results quoted in the literature at μ = 1 GeV have been rescaled by dividing by 1.35. ]

    Masses of quarks are funny things because there is no such thing as a free quark so talking about the mass of a free quark is a fuzzy concept that requires a model to refine its definition to be meaningful.

    Regarding progress in Lattice Quantum Chromodynamics:
    pdg.lbl.gov/2012/reviews/rpp2012-rev-lattice-qcd.pdf

    And I think the paper being referred to by New Scientist is this one: http://arxiv.org/abs/0906.3599
     
  11. Twoplanker Banned Banned

    Messages:
    22
    The physical world is an illusion.
     
  12. kwhilborn Banned Banned

    Messages:
    2,088
    Well said Magical Realist. I agree.
     
  13. Gravage Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,241
    Would you say reality is digital or analog or it's not neither of these things? That was the question in a thread in another forum, I think...
    http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?104787-10-000-question-Is-reality-digital-or-analog/page4
     
  14. Farsight

    Messages:
    3,492
    Analog. I'm an IT guy, I know about digital computers and information, and I'm confident that reality is nothing like that. The quantum of quantum mechanics where h always applies in E=hf regardless of wavelength is not some "digital" thing. It's related to the nature of space, but it isn't anything to do with space being in some way digital.
     
  15. Gravage Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,241
    Well, it's good to meet someone who is expert in IT industry, but what analog really means, I wonder if math/physics can describe what analog is, is there any definition to this term "analog"?
    How would you explain to someone what is analog? I hope there is an definition of that in physics?
     
  16. eram Sciengineer Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,877
    Analog: A continuous distribution of values. As opposed to discrete, quantized quantities.

    The best example of an analog quantity is an angle, measured in radians.

    Like the hands of an analog watch. Compare this to a digital watch, which can only display certain values.


    We often assume that space and time are also analog, but that remains to be seen.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_units
     
  17. Farsight

    Messages:
    3,492
    See what eram said. I've said this before, but I think it's worth repeating: when it comes to quantum mchanics, action h in E=hf is the same for all wavelengths. Imagine I call out "Lights camera action!" and you start winding the handle of on old-style movie camera. There's a pen sticking out of the end of the handle, drawing a line on a moving scroll of paper. That line traces out a sine wave. Regardless of how fast you wind the handle, your action is the same, and the sine wave is always the same height. Look at the circular action in the depiction on the wikipedia wind wave article. Electromagnetic waves are something like wind waves where regardless of frequency, all the waves are the same height. And the waves are sine waves, smoothly continuous rather than stepping up and down or moving towards you in steps. There's nothing digital about any of that. I'm afraid to say I think the whole idea that reality is somehow digital is just garbage.
     
  18. eram Sciengineer Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,877

    The waves aren't digital, but electromagnetic radiation itself is.

    Planck's Law my friend. The energy of electromagnetic radiation is quantized, discrete, digital. A.k.a. Photons.

    Matter itself is quantized into atoms. So is charge. And spin. Quantum theory and all of particle physics.

    So are we not living in a digital universe?
     
  19. Farsight

    Messages:
    3,492
    No, eram. A photon can have any wavelength you like, you can vary that wavelength smoothly, so energy can vary smoothly too. Electromagnetic radiation isn't digital, it merely has a quantum nature wherein the action is the same regardless of wavelength.
     
  20. eram Sciengineer Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,877

    true, in quantization of charge, it is discrete values, but for quantization of light it can take upon multiple values, but in discrete quantized packets. This quantum nature means that its digital. Just like all matter is made of the Standard Model particles.
     

Share This Page