Out of sight, out of mind

Discussion in 'Science & Society' started by Read-Only, Jun 27, 2012.

  1. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    But for how long?

    I was aware that there was some disposal being done by deep-well injection but had no idea of the true magnitude!!

    In my opinion this is insanity in action!

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    http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_n...wells-hold-waste-across-us-with-unknown-risks

    What sort of idiot, geologist or otherwise (and I have respect for most geologists), would assume that the subsurface strata would/could remain impermeable for hundreds or even thousands of years? And even if so, what about AFTER that time has passed? As the linked article points out time and again, even a few years of containment might be too much to expect in many cases.

    When we think of polluting our environment, most of us tend to think of surface water and the air around us. I strongly think that very, very few would ever consider the fact that it's coming toward us from thousands of feet - even a couple of miles in some instances - from BELOW!

    While the article IS rather long, I suggest you take the time to read the whole thing. Then I'd like to hear your thoughts as to what to do about this mess before it sickens and/or kills us and the generations to come. The first step, obviously, is to stop this outrageous practice NOW!!!

    But then what? (It would probably cost trillions of trillions to clean up what's down there already.)
     
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  3. Buddha12 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, I have stated over and over we are killing ourselves with our own pollution and it is only a matter of WHEN it will all fail. :shrug:

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    We already know that air and water (surface) quality has been going down - and according to that article about the subsurface problem it's no longer a matter of "when" it will fail - it already HAS.

    So my question remains: what do we do about it??
     
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  7. Buddha12 Valued Senior Member

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    Stop doing that way of getting rid of the contaminated sewage by using regular types of sewage treatment plants that actually clean the sewage before it is released back into the environment. But even that isn't the best way because it takes time to treat sewage and most plants today are already running over capacity and don't treat the sewage totally so it is released back into the environment only half way treated at best. Still sewage treatment plants are the best thing we have right now, not deep injection for we know what the results are.
     
  8. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    I knew there was a good reason to drink only filtered water. But like global warming the government will be very slow to react with the deniers fighting any kind of responsible action as economic suicide.

    Have you run across any maps showing where this deep-well injection has been going on? Might be good Info to know now and for future relocation. I sure don't want to live in any problem area's.
     
  9. Buddha12 Valued Senior Member

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    I know that it is happening in Florida, South Florida for certain. They don't build new sewage treatment plants they just keep using the old ones which are not as efficient nor as able to handle the effluent that is coming into the treatment plant daily. The unprocessed or partially treated sewage gets dumped into the ocean through outfalls and some goes into the deep well discharge system. Although they say this; http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...8ZiTAg&usg=AFQjCNH_aktQAyeNQwhgpYM-Yed61oSd4w , they are not telling the truth because there still are beach closings daily along the Eastern coast of South Florida due to FECAL CONTAMINATION and that means untreated sewage. If the amounts of raw sewage were reduced or another sewage treatment plant built they wouldn't have to worry as much for the time being but there's nothing on the drawing boards to do that I'm aware of.

    This is what is really happening according to this article with new treatment plants and the sewage outfalls:http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...8ZiTAg&usg=AFQjCNGESqkjvmT5k7g7utGhDvxRNgNKxg
     
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  11. Verse Registered Member

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    The whole waste disposal management system needs done away with, from the dumping into the oceans creating dead zones, to deep wells, to waste treatment facilities that release raw sewage directly into rivers when waters rise. It's not just 'seepage' it is intentional. Maximum profitability.
     
  12. Neverfly Banned Banned

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    Yeah, cuz uhhh- where ya gonna put it?
    I always wonder what it is people think about when they say, "clean up" a part of the environment. All cleaning up is moving pollution from one spot- to another spot.
     
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  14. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    Not just another spot, but a better spot.

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  15. Neverfly Banned Banned

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    Pakistan.
     
  16. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    Nice try, but the transportation cost would rule that out.

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  17. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    Mexico?
     
  18. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    I'm sure corrupt Mexican officials could be bought to provide a place. But when people started getting sick or dying, those same officials would gladly point the finger at the U.S.

    By then it's not out of sight any longer, and no matter how it's played it's not going to look good for the U.S.
     
  19. Saturnine Pariah Hell is other people Valued Senior Member

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    We can only recycle a material before it begins to degrade to a point of complete waste or inability to use at all ,that‘s the case for artificial substances however for organic wastes (that not lethal to organisms). We could launch portions of our solid, inorganic waste into space…but then there is the cost that goes into launching the junk into space and the risk of orbiting garbage horribly polluting the atmosphere or having fall down on us.
     
  20. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    This is a political problem that cannot be handled at the State level (the aquifers etc cross state lines, as can the injected waste and industries etc that produce it, so any State administration too onerously regulating such disposal on its own will suffer the focused political and economic hit without gaining the full benefit) so we look at Federal politics:

    and here we have some clues as to the obstacles to be overcome in any realistic attempt to curb this practice - from the attempts to curb the careless spread of antibiotic usage, high density animal confinement, and GMOs in agriculture; control nuclear waste production and disposal; curb industrial machinery damage, waste damage, exploitation harms, and light or noise pollution of wilderness areas; curb hydrofracking and deep water or sensitive area drilling; control the import and export of goods circumventing environmental regulations and their cost; or even prevent the introduction and spread of destructive pests; we can see what we would be up against.

    Step one might be to reduce the number of Republicans in the Senate below the fraction at which they can enforce a filibuster. Step two might be a Constitutional amendment patching the Citizen's United hole blown by the current rightwing Republican Supreme Court.

    Good luck.
     

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