Huge Hole Found in the Universe

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by Buddha12, Jul 5, 2012.

  1. Buddha12 Valued Senior Member

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    The universe has a huge hole in it that dwarfs anything else of its kind. The discovery caught astronomers by surprise.

    The hole is nearly a billion light-years across. It is not a black hole, which is a small sphere of densely packed matter. Rather, this one is mostly devoid of stars, gas and other normal matter, and it's also strangely empty of the mysterious "dark matter" that permeates the cosmos. Other space voids have been found before, but nothing on this scale.

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  3. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    For those of us that don't do facebook, do you have another link? When was this discovery made? I'm not finding anything really new on this topic on a quick search. :shrug:
     
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  5. OnlyMe Valued Senior Member

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    The link, http://www.space.com/4271-huge-hole-universe.html actually takes you to space.com, rather than Facebook.

    Note, the article is from 2007. Not breaking news.
     
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  7. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    Thank you, OnlyMe. That was what I was encountering on my preliminary searches. I came across this article today:

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  8. Buddha12 Valued Senior Member

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    From your link:


    Our universe may exist inside a black hole. This may sound strange, but it could actually be the best explanation of how the universe began, and what we observe today. It's a theory that has been explored over the past few decades by a small group of physicists including myself.

    Successful as it is, there are notable unsolved questions with the standard big bang theory, which suggests that the universe began as a seemingly impossible "singularity," an infinitely small point containing an infinitely high concentration of matter, expanding in size to what we observe today. The theory of inflation, a super-fast expansion of space proposed in recent decades, fills in many important details, such as why slight lumps in the concentration of matter in the early universe coalesced into large celestial bodies such as galaxies and clusters of galaxies.


    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/05/17/every-black-hole-contains-new-universe/#ixzz1zkkvYEFx


    Thank you for providing more information about this discovery.

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  9. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    We all give up and join Facebook eventually. Too much of the world exists on it.

    I never post on my own page, which has so far left me troll-free, limited primarily to "happy birthday" messages.
     
  10. OnlyMe Valued Senior Member

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    I don't have a Facebook page. When I hit the face book link I got,

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    For the safety and privacy of your Facebook account, remember to never enter your password unless you're on the real Facebook web site. Also be sure to only download software from sites you trust.*To learn more about staying safe on the internet, visit Facebook's Security Page. Please also read the Wikipedia articles on malware and phishing.

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    And a button to continue, which took me to the link in the above caution statement. (the header on the browser tab was "Leaving facebook".)
     
  11. Dale Geriatric friend of trolls Registered Senior Member

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    If there is a place somewhere that is where the Big Bang occurred, (maybe it was once the only place that could be called a place.) wouldn't it be a place from which everything was just leaving, and there was nothing in the universe that was somewhere else in order to be on the way in? And ever since, everything in the universe would still be on the way out from that location?
     
  12. Cyperium I'm always me Valued Senior Member

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    The universe should be uniform, at least according to the WMAP, so does this location show up in the WMAP?? There was no certain place that the Big Bang occured, all you see arund you is the Big Bang in a different form (and a lot cooler).
     
  13. Dale Geriatric friend of trolls Registered Senior Member

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    Does that mean that the Big Bang never got sort of hollowed out?
     
  14. prometheus viva voce! Registered Senior Member

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    You're showing the usual basic misunderstanding of the big bang - it was not an explosion of stuff in space, it was an explosion of space. See here for my previous post on the subject.
     
  15. prometheus viva voce! Registered Senior Member

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    No this location does not show up in the CMB because it doesn't exist. What the WMAP experiment does is show the universe is uniform to a very high degree of accuracy. It's not something that is up for debate, it's an experimentally measured fact.
     
  16. kaduseus melencolia I Registered Senior Member

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    The location doesn't show up but God does.

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    23Ghz with 41Ghz as the difference layer (both layers desaturated)

    So what caused the galaxies to start rotating?
     
  17. R1D2 many leagues under the sea. Valued Senior Member

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    I say interesting stuff is there any... Newer information. On this subject or did the information "stop" in 2007. I'm not finding anything newer.
    An I don't have facebook, to much drama. An silly posts. An I don't want to be a part of facebook, because all my friends have phones.

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  18. Dr Mabuse Percipient Thaumaturgist Registered Senior Member

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    The universe is an interesting place that we know very little about.

    That whole 'Dark Flow' at the edge of the universe thing is another wild anomaly that we detect but don't understand.
     
  19. OnlyMe Valued Senior Member

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    This would seem to me to be wild speculation.

    We have very good reason to believe that the universe extends far beyond the light sphere, that represents the limits of our ability to observe the universe. Whether one accepts the big bang theory or not, we do not appear to be able to see the edge of the universe. Perhaps the edge of that portion observable from our location, but certainly no where near any real edge, if there is one.

    All we really know relative to the "Huge Hole" being discussed, is that it is there. Any suggestion of why it is there or what it represents, would seem at this point, to be pure speculation, if not imagination.
     
  20. Dr Mabuse Percipient Thaumaturgist Registered Senior Member

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    "Wild speculation?"

    Did you mean to quote someone else's post?

    I'm probably going to regret asking, but exactly what are you talking about? There's no "speculation" in my post.
     
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    The wild part may have been over the top, but we cannot see the edge of the universe. Talk about a 'Dark Flow' at the edge, must then be speculation or imagination.

    All we know is that there is an area out there where there is nothing we can detect. That really does not even mean it is truly empty. It just means if there is anything there, we can't see or detect it.

    As far as the edge of the universe is concerned, we have no way to know if there even is an edge. The light sphere of EM radiation that defines what we can see, does not seem from what we can tell, to be all that there is. It is just all that we can "see".
     
  22. Dr Mabuse Percipient Thaumaturgist Registered Senior Member

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    OH.

    You didn't have a clue about what I was referring to and thus drew some bizarre conclusion. Try asking a question next time instead of assuming you know. I knew that reply seemed weird. I assumed most on a science forum would be topically familiar with it.

    Around ~two years ago, that was the sentence that swept around the world, and the physics and astronomy community. Google 'dark flow at the edge of the universe' to inform yourself on the matter. I used that phrase as it would easily be the most popular way to mention it.
     
  23. OnlyMe Valued Senior Member

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    Putting Dark Flow and the edge of the universe together, does not lead one automatically to what was and remains a controversial "Dark Flow" in the movement of galaxy clusters.

    The emphasis I was attempting to place in my comment was on, "the edge of the universe" part, anyway.

    Even accepting that you meant to be referring to the Dark Flow, as in a generally uniform direction of motion in the universe, how does that relate to the "Huge Hole"?

    It is sometimes difficult to tell when someone is making a genuine comment or observation, or sometimes just putting unrelated things together.

    And yes I am, sometimes as guilty of a lack of clarity. as anyone.
     

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