Philosophy ov love

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by ucitian, Mar 19, 2003.

  1. purple_hairstreak My true colours clash Registered Senior Member

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    Uhh...

    Uhh...question... dont you love yourself unconditionally? i mean, if you love YOURSELF conditionally, then, all i have to say is, poor you!
    i love myself, unreasonably and unconditionally, thanks very much!

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  3. sargentlard Save the whales motherfucker Valued Senior Member

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    good lord

    whoever started this thread i have one suggestion: "Dude learn how to type." .


    Seriously, it's perfectly fine if you talk like that in real life but do you really have to extend that into your typing. I mean if you want people to respond to your otherwise nice theory on love how about you type it normally so they don't get a headache before they are done. Anyway.... i agree with you: there is no such thing as unconditional love because something is always expected you in a relationship (not that that's a bad thing, i mean you can't have a guy banging every women he sees and then expect his girlfriend to give him unconditional love or vice versa.) also what are your opinions on "Love at first sight." I don't think it exists, people just confuse it for "infatuation at first sight"....hell everybody does it. They see a really good looking guy/girl/ mixed (there are people who dig that stuff) and wish they had them in their arms....."u kno wat i mean."
     
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  5. sh1n3y Registered Senior Member

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    I personally believe in unconditional love, but not in the typical way. The only kind of unconditional love that exists is when someone cares so much for a person that they would give their life for them and they don't care if the love is ever returned. They don't care if they get anything in return. I know that I love my nephew unconditionally, I was there at his birth, and I will always love him.

    When it comes to a relationship between two people, such as marriage or dating, I strongly agree that there is no such thing as unconditional love because one side always expects the love to return.
     
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  7. ucitian Registered Member

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    well baby ... its not easy to streamline the complexities of luv. Just think how u came to know that u love ur self.

    What i believe is that ur love with ur ownself is depicted in the way u dress; ur consiousness about ur meal and ur health and your involvement in the health habbits.

    Practically speaking, u dress well to impress the peole arround u and more precisely the opposite sex arround u. U adopt those health habbits just because u want to look healthier and u dont want to get into some kinda disease and specially u dont want to die earlier. I kow people who dumbled themself to death just to impress a few gallz arround.

    So ur love withur self in not unconditional...its prety conditional. And believe me thats the only reason u came to know that u r in love with ur own self. Just think over it!
     
  8. ucitian Registered Member

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    Thanks aloto for your suggestion. I will try avoid typing that way now. I guess its prety difficult for the people to read stuff like that and when we make the words that sounds similar to the real words then this makes the people furious.

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    Hummm LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT... uhhh simply bullshit. I dont believe that its love...its simply infatuation. U know... in one of my editorials in my my magazine, i said that eyes play the pivotal role in WHAT WE CALL LOVE initially but when mind comes into action and when other factors come to play there role then things are diferent. On a road u see a gall... she smiles to you..... u give a smile back to her and u feel that u are in love with her... an then after some time when u come to know that the gall u saw was a dam prostitute.... what will happen then. Surely ur feelings will be changed. so i conclude here by saying that

    The more you see ; the more you love ..... the nore you know ; the more u hate..... and real love is something that you know and u still want to see.
     
  9. ucitian Registered Member

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    hahah... so u have got a mutant of unconditional love. Thats intresting! I think i would have to study the BIOCHEMISTRY and GENETICS of love once again. lol

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    Well u said that some people love such that they dont want any thing in return. First of all let me make somethng very much clear to u. Love is not demanding. Love is sacrificing. So what i initially meant by by "conditons" was'nt that u need any thing in return. What i meant was that love requires a platform on which it grooms. U said that some people dam care if they dont get love back. Read my first post. I clearly said that ONE SIDED TRAFFIC is a type of conditional love where u dont get the love back but u still love.

    then u said

    Well i am sure that its conditioonal again. I dont know the exact circumstances but may be .... i repeat "MAY BE"u love him just because u love BABIES and u desperately wanted to have one and now when u have a baby nephew... now u feel in love with him.

    Now i guess that ur baby nephew is prety cute ... but what if he was not that good looking and cute. Believe me you would not have been the same to her. LOOKS matter!

    There may be someother contributing factors but i cant streamline them coz i know nothing. Hope u know wat i mean.

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  10. some1 Registered Member

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    so how does some1 know when he's in love? does he just know, through and through? I think I've been in love... but wouldn't I know, not think, if IT really was love?
     
  11. man_of_jade Psychic person Registered Senior Member

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    ucitian;

    Theres a difference between infatuation and love at first sight. Ive experienced both, and I can tell the difference. Infatuation is merely lust. Love at first sight, however, is almost magical

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  12. Neville Registered Senior Member

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    You love him unconditionally?? I doubt this very much. Are you saying that if he grows up and does something terrible like kills someone, maybe a child, in cold blood, you would still love him? If you truely love him without conditions then you would.
    In what way??

    I sometimes think that most people searching for 'true love' are actually searching for that feeling of when they were children: when they were carefree and didn't have a worry in the world. However there comes a point in our lives when when we have to accept our responsibilites, even if it's just the responsibility of being able to pay for where you live. I think it would take a great deal to find the utopia of being a child again, if it is even possible. Most people think they will find it with riches. While I don't disbelieve in love I think some people suddenly 'discover' that they are in love and decide to profess this love by doing things which make them look silly. I would place more emphasis on a persons feelings. If they are in love then they will know it. There is no need to tell the world or even make a fool if yourself. Being in love, I think, is feeling that someone loves you, and wants you for who you are. Why does love have to be such a rapturous celebration which usually involves people showing their stupidity. I have to say however that the people who express their love in this way are the ones who are trying to be in love. They pretend to feel something.
     
  13. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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  14. Charles Fleming Registered Senior Member

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    Hey good post coolskill! However some would say that genetics doesn't have much to do with shagging.
     
  15. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    I wonder how one body can tell about the immune system of another body.
     
  16. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Neville:
    "'Tis long since any of you loved, for you are cold;
    You cannot love - your blood is not hot, like ours!
    You have forgotten that the world can hold
    A love that sears like flame and, like flame, devours"

    That you'd value social conformity over passion and humanity...sad, just sad.

    Those who search for love are, I think, trying to find that emotion Hallmark markets for 99 cents a card.

    Pathetic, really.
     
  17. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    Love is all around.
    I think I hear the birds singing.
     
  18. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Love sucks.
    *Takes a semi-automatic to the birds*

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  19. ucitian Registered Member

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    well i dont believe that IMMUNE SYSTEM has some role to paly in love. Well it may have some role to play in infatuation but love is something entirely different and something very very pure and so the immune system can't change the chmistry of love.
     
  20. fredx Banned Banned

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    i just have to reply to this

    I give ucitian credit for bringing his actual experience into this topic and helping us try to make sense of love, which is something, unlike many of the other things in the philosophy section or wherever this post ended up, that we all care about and relate to.

    My advice to anyone would be: don't worry so much that the love you are getting is not unconditional, but worry more that the love that you give is unconditional. This way you better your karma and perhaps better your chances at finding that someone that can mend your broken or help fill your lonely one.
     
  21. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    <b>Conditional Love:</b> There is no such thing.

    <b>Unconditional Love:</b> True love. It sometimes hurts you, so much so that you must distance yourself from it in order to survive it.



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  22. fredx Banned Banned

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    oh and another point on love...

    Neville maybe this will help you with your and its danger on society idea.

    Love, by its very nature, is unworldly,
    and it is for this reason rather than its
    rarity that it is not only apolitical but
    anti-political, perhaps the most powerful
    of all anti-political human forces. -Hannah Arendt, Political Philosopher

    I probably shouldn't be giving this away because I could probably use it in a book I write one day but I'll say it anyway and it fits in with much that has been said earlier on this post, for example that love is always aimed at a particular thing or person (which was also in a book a just read called Everyday Ethics by Josh Halbertstam. Well here it is:

    Love is for me: Politics is for us.

    Interestingly, uciatian said in the opening post that love is supernatural and Hannah Arendt may have meant the same thing by saying its unworldy, very interesting. Makes you want to believe.
     
  23. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    "Love has been and is still the great act of subversion in the West"
    --Octavio Paz

    Sensuality and thought are probably the most subversive forces of the human mind. All involve the transcendence - nay, even the rejection - of social convention.

    Hannah did not believe in such nonsense. "Unworldly" is usually meant by her to mean apolitical or asocial.
     

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