Is Homosexuality psycological or biological?

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  1. Weiser_Dub Registered Senior Member

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    RFLMAO... if two homosexual people reproduce they produce... NOTHING.. he he... GET IT?!?!?!?

    But, if you want to show me a gay kid who has two parents that are gay then I'd be glad to look.

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  3. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Did I say genetic? Obviously you did not read above.

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  5. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    Isn't obvious that a behavior as complex as homosexuality cannot be solely due to one or even a few genes? It is not as simple as eye color and hemophilia, which are due to a single gene (actually a pair in the case of eye color).

    Homosexuality must be due to some complex interaction between genetic heritage and environmental influences.

    If it were solely due to biology (Id est: heredity), it should be much rarer than hemophilia. It should have been bred out of the human race 50,000 years ago, when a homosexual male had no cultural pressures to have sex with a woman and pass along the gay genes. Saying it is solely due to heredity, it like a person claiming that claiming that infertility runs in his family.

    Lesbianism could be largely hereditary. From prehistoric times Lesbian woman in primitive cultures would likely be raped, enabling them to pass on their genes.

    I am not sure why the cause, cure, and treatment of gays should be such a big issue. I had a lot of gay friends when I was single. Before I married, I ran with what were called bohemians, later hippies, now ?? Gay behavior did not cause me any problems. Why should I worry about their sexual preferences? I might consider it an issue if gays were constantly trying to hit on me.

    If I thought they were likely to convert potentially straight males, it might be a cause for concern. I do not consider it normal or natural. An outrageous epidemic of it might not be a good idea for the human race, but 20-30% gays might help solve our population explosion problem.
     
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  7. Balder1 Registered Senior Member

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    Like I said, I heard that the genes that cause it have different effects in different genders, allowing it to be passed on. This is a thought. There are ways that it could be passed on.

    If it was entirely environmental, then something in the environment is causing it, and these people could be "cured." Also, that would probably mean that our recent gay movement is influencing the kids into becoming gay... which is disturbing.
     
  8. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Hello its not genetic... it is hormonal, read my posts above!
     
  9. shadowpuppet Registered Senior Member

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    If homosexuality is biological itmust be genitic, or passsed on from parents to children right?

    so if there was a "gay gene" dont you think that evolutionarily it would dieout pretty quickly? not many gay men have children to pass their genes onto. so after a generation or 2, gay children would stop being born.
     
  10. Dr Lou Natic Unnecessary Surgeon Registered Senior Member

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    No, normal parents have children with down-syndrome don't they?
    How can anyone try and say gay people are "choosing" to be gay? Thats insane! I said it before and I'll say it again, if you "chose" to be attracted to girls you are obviously in denial and are secretly yearning for man meat.
    I didn't "choose", I just naturally was attracted to girls, being attracted to men would be so drastically different that one could not possibly simply choose that. They would HAVE to be born that way.
     
  11. Balder1 Registered Senior Member

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    What's causing the hormonol imbalance, Dr Lou Natic? Genes determine hormones, and bad environment can change hormones I suppose. Are these people being exposed to something that changes their hormones?

    Also, do you think convicts who rape other guys are gay?
     
  12. Dr Lou Natic Unnecessary Surgeon Registered Senior Member

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    Originally posted by Balder1
    What's causing the hormonol imbalance, Dr Lou Natic? Genes determine hormones, and bad environment can change hormones I suppose. Are these people being exposed to something that changes their hormones?
    I dunno, I think it varies from homo to homo, its like some of them are girls that happened to be born with a penis and boys born with vaginas, others might have had some incident that swayed them at a very young age, I don't know what, but some aren't as flaming as others and I think this issue is multifaceted.

    Also, do you think convicts who rape other guys are gay?
    No but if the "other guys" in question enjoy it they are gay. Whats your point?
     
  13. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Balder1,

    No read my post above! Anything the mother eats or does will effect hormonal exposure to the fetus so no genes are not the only thing that plays a part in this.

    Yes cases of temporary bisexuality is psychological... they would rather rape a women but what the heck any hole will do.
     
  14. Neville Registered Senior Member

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    Well she would say that wouldn't she. She's his mother and might be seen to be responsible. Maybe she was.

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    Reading the above posts I would say that
    this is most likely.
     
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  15. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    maybe it is nurture...
     
  16. Dr Lou Natic Unnecessary Surgeon Registered Senior Member

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    I'm sure its genetic in MOST cases, its probably actually been scientifically proven I just couldn't be bothered looking for it. I'm not all that enthusiastic to be honest...
     
  17. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    in some cases it is environment...i think it is clear that in male only populations (such as the prison enviroment) the ratio of homosexuals drastically increases.
     
  18. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    thats just finding a hole to satisfy a urg... as soon as you let them out they will go right back to women.
     
  19. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    There is little or no evidence to substantiate the claim that male homosexuality is due (or partially due) to heredity. There are evolutionary reasons to believe otherwise.

    The claim that it is hormonal due to the body chemistry of the mother during pregnancy might have some merit, but is doubtful. It is similar to the claim that it has a genetic basis, since body chemistry is strongly influenced by genetics.

    The human digestive system provides a barrier to many chemicals which could influence body chemistry if injected. Most of what we eat is broken down and then used as raw material to build necessary chemicals and proteins. Alcohol and a few other drugs can create havoc over a long period of time or with excessive use. Vitamins and a few minerals are used without modification by the digestive system. The medical establishment has developed drugs that can be taken orally. There are a lot of exceptions, but the general rule is that the digestive system discards what it does not need, and breaks more complex chemicals into simpler building blocks, leaving basic body chemistry as it was established by genetics.

    BTW: Are you aware that many (most) of the things we eat would be lethal (at least detrimental) if injected into the blood stream?
     
  20. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    I aware of that but unusual hormonal levels have been detected in pregnant women for reasons yet unknown... also most steroids (a class of hormones, most hormones in general) are not digestible and go strait through the digestive track into the blood stream. Many food products are known to have steroids including estrogen.

    The evidence for hormones being the cause for homosexuality is very compelling and very complete.
     
  21. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    WellCookedFetus: Do you know of any citations for the following?
    I have seen such claims many times. I have also seen claims for genetic causes. Never any citiations.
     
  22. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    jee look at my posts above... or better yet I can read out of this modern psychology text book I never turned back for money, it say so right here.
     
  23. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    they had homosexual contact...they were temporary homosexual. they switched environment...they went back to heterosexual...seems like it supports my notion.
     

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