What sort of experience or knowledge can we gain from the first Iraqui War and, what -- if any -- sort of argument can justify another from these experiences?
Babelina, 1. Why must you yell everything? 2. Wake up, we all do not live in your perfect little world. The facts about human nature fill thousands of history books. You might want to read a few. fireguy, How many of your family and friends must die before you lift a helping hand?
1st war 751 coalition casulties during the campaign. 104,000 deaths from Gulf war syndrome and 3 new infectious diseases erupt in the USA. 2nd war even more
I'm not yelling, that is all in your mind. Isn't it about time, that you look into history and realize that wars have never solved anything, we need a new approach to conflict, a peaceful solution at any prize but lives. And don't try describe my world, since you know nothing about it, apparently.
Im no expert, after all i don't have any experience in world politics, but i do know that in kindergarten i learned "violence is never the answer". I am also a beliver in the Bible, and in luke, it says thatis someone strikes you one one cheek, you turn the other. sure you've heard it before. you think its better to kill their family and friends?
i remember some news reporter tonight saying how afgans treat US soliders there like rock stars. when you give people freedom good things happen. we are at war to help the iraqi people, to liberate them, not conqour. get that in your heads people anyone watch bush's speech, I think it was great. the US is doing the right thing. this is coming from someone who has friends in the military in the middle east. thats kinda like saying we learned the truth about economics in high school. it's worthless in the real world. violence is the only thing that brings change in the world. deal with it
Greg You sir need to become more aware of the world you live in. Bush and he's henchmen don't give a flying toss what happens to the Iraqi people.
and what are you? his best friend? his right hand man? didn;t think so, don't try to pretend you know what bush is thinking
If you have a gun, and someone else has a knife would you not shoot and allow them to stab you? There a few reasons to justify violence, but every reason to reply in kind. Wars have solved things. Look at just about any civil war that was the result of oppression. And yeah, please stop yelling.
Re: Greg Is oil the likely reason? I'd guess so, but that doesn't change my belief that his people will probably be better off after the war.
if i had a gun, and you had a knife, i wouldnt shoot you. when you have a gun, its your responsibility to use it well. in my opinion, that is never. i would say to them, dont stab me. negotiate, honestly, what kinda idiot would stab sum1 with a loaded gun? i might even resort to running like a little girl, but at least that way, both of us are still alive.
oil is not the reason, if it was we'd have finished the job ten years ago. if you all notice bush is basicly saying that the war is over if saddam and his sons leave. thats it, no generals or regieme. we are specificly targeting them, thats it!
Greg Up until a few weeks ago no one in Bush's camp even thought about what will happen post war!!! But they were very willing to go in a fight...doesn't sound like the welfare of the iraqi's was an issue until the world started to take an interest.
Heinlein had something to say on this subject: "Anyone who clings to the historically untrue and thoroughly immoral doctrine that 'violence never settles anything' I would invite to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler could referee, and the jury might well be the Dodo, Great Auk, and Passenger Pigeon. Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Those who forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms."
again, are you in ranks to speak with bush? didn't think so, so stop acting like you know whats going on, on the inside. your telling me the world wasn't intersted in this matter a few months ago? gimmie a break.
That's a nice idea shadow, but it doesn't always work that way. There are plenty of crazy people who WOULD try and stab someone with a gun. I HS a local tried to mug me on my way home from softball. He had a knife, I had a bat (he wasn't a smart fella). I put my bat in both hands and he still tried to come closer. I broke his arm. I could have run, but he could have been faster... in which case I'd be dead (or in a shitload of pain). Giving him the chance to stab me would have accomplished nothing, but telling him that it is OK to threaten people because they'll just give in. You can not talk your way out of every situation. It is the best first step, but it will not always work.
Greg I watched (on TV) congress question Bush's people regarding this VERY issue...I recall a congressman being appauled by the fact that not a single plan was in place for what will happen AFTER the war. This was televised a few weeks ago. Every plan for an invasion was already completed, except off course this one. So excuse me for not believing that the people of Iraq are Bush's primary concern. I'm not pretending to know anything from the inside.
