Ah, come on. Get off your high horse. You know that I’m still holding out for a PM. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Actually, the weather is nice and mild today and I am soon on my way out to work with my horses, having just got home from shift. This is my youngest fellow, born May 1st, 2010, and just started under saddle. It's hard to believe how quickly he has grown. Here he is at just 4 days old: Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Here he is standing alongside his mother, taken just three days ago. Riding in full winter turnout gear is hardly 'stylish', lol, but it's nice to be able to get out and work with my steeds, none of which are 'high horses'. My youngster still has plenty of growing to do and will likely finish up at 60-61 inches at the top of the shoulder or withers, 15:00 HH or 15:1 HH (Hands High, a Hand being 4 inches, from a time when the average breadth of a human hand was used as the universal measurement for horses.) Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Holding out for a PM? Well, you'll be waiting a long time for a reply if you don't send one, lol... Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Beautiful horses...love the black and white coloring on his belly and legs. And to answer the question of the post. Dude, she was just looking for a freebie, handout, whatever you wanna call it. She invited you, you have no obligation to pay for her lunch. To be quite honest, it would have been nice of her, since she invited, to at least offer to pick up your coffee bill. Just my two cents, though....
I have news: it has nothing to do with the check. No woman in their right mind would expect a guy to pick up the bill for her and her friend, let alone on the second date. You were invited for a Boyfriend Screening, and you failed. This girl obviously values her friend's opinion--probably too much--and when the friend said no, she stopped taking your calls.
Yes, I thought it was rather rude. I can’t even imagine saying something like that. I still haven’t returned her call. I can’t step on another man’s toes but... Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Whoa! How’d I miss this? I like your avatar. We had a little commotion in here about women shoes. Serendipity plays a part in science, as well. It takes a sagacious woman to appreciate happy accidents. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
You didn't blow it, because hopefully you have ridden yourself of this one. Your $10 was more than generous, can't imagine anyone thinking you should have covered the cost of their lunch. That's hilarious.
I find it interesting how many of the men at this forum seem to be apprehensive about women and money, or indicate that they have had bad experiences with the combination. I am descended from a line of matriarchs who managed the family finances during some lean times in history and so I am thankful that I learned fiscal prudence from them, never to live beyond your means. What's this 'dating' concept all about anyway, besides spending money? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I always just hung out with people who were doing things and managed to meet plenty of interesting people while going about my day to day business in the community. I suppose that's the benefit of living in smaller centers, in a way, that it's easier to get involved and meet people. I'm trying to recall if I've ever been on a 'date', lol.... Meanwhile, I'm down a quart or two on my sleep and I still have one more shift to pull so I'll leave you with SHIFTWORK.
So, as I understand it, she didn't complain at all to you about the whole paying for coffee thing. You got that second-hand from a "pal". And when she did call you back, you blew her off. It is possible that you allowed your "pal" to destroy the beginnings of a beautiful friendship.
An excellent observation, James. In answering the specifics of Hellenologophobia's etiquette question, the origin of the allegation has not been addressed. Men gossip among themselves possibly more than women are credited with, in my observation. The John Wayne stereotype is an urban myth, for the most part. Loose lips sink ships. :bugeye:
No, he’s a good guy. He’s got my back. C'est la vie...Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Interesting article, Hellenologophobia. Sports cars and convertibles don't impress me much. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! They aren't much use in a climate that has 7 months with snow and ice on the roads and they can't pull a horse trailer. I tend to judge a vehicle by the condition it is maintained in, not by how loaded it is with options. Good rubber is absolutely essential, be it on a truck or a car. I also consider vehicles that get excellent mileage to be preferable for having less impact on the environment. Because our schedules are such that we can't car pool, we have two small cars, an Echo and a Yaris, both hatchbacks, basically the same model just different years. The Echo evolved into the Yaris. My big Tundra is used only for 'missions' that require a truck or when it is extremely cold or the roads are very bad. Barring misfortune, I should get 20 years or more out of it. The 1993 T-100 is kept insured and maintained so that we both have a 4-wheel drive when the occasion demands as happens a few times a year. Only the Tundra has an automatic transmission and power windows, the other three vehicles are manual transmissions and no remote starts on any of them. The T-100 and the Echo don't even have a CD player, lol, only radio and cassette. Our vehicles are all practical tools of the trade, suited to the purpose for which they are intended. There is no public transit out where we live, hence the need for the fleet.
I would never question your experience Enmos, yet the studies and statistics give evidence to the contrary. Haven't you heard? Guys gossip too By Gail Rosenblum We're even-steven in the chatter department — and when it comes to down 'n' dirty dishing Men, someone needs to tell you this, so it might as well be me. You can deny it. You can call it "shop talk," "locker-room banter," "keeping in touch" or "networking." We heard last week about a study confirming that you talk as much as women, but here's a little known fact: You gossip just as much as women do, too. This juicy tidbit comes courtesy of the Social Issues Research Centre (SIRC), a nonprofit think tank in England, which recently interviewed 1,000 cellphone users about how they use their phones for gossip and how gossip affects their lives. Many male participants initially denied that they gossip, according to the study, while nearly all of the females readily admitted to it. But come closer and listen to this: The study found that 33 percent of men indulge in gossip every day or almost every day, compared with 26 percent of women. The study quoted a definition of gossip as "chatty talk among friends," and "the process of informally communicating value-laden information about members of a social setting." Other findings essential to pass on to your 100 closest friends: • Men are more likely to gossip with work colleagues, love partners and female friends; women prefer to dish primarily with female friends and relatives. • Men gossip about work, politics or other highbrow topics less than 5 percent of the time, unless women are present. Then the proportion of male conversation devoted to sounding impressive increases to 15 or 20 percent. • Men spend much more time than women talking about themselves. Other studies, including those at the University of Virginia, Northeastern University in Boston and the University of Wisconsin, confirm that gossip is universal and gender-neutral. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x6711053
Well, perhaps my definition of 'gossip' is a bit off. By the looks of it anyway. I define gossip as: "talk among friends, colleagues, etc, especially about people known by all or most present and especially with a negative connotation." In my experience, it is women that engage in this type of gossip much more than men. I don't consider talk about work, politics or other highbrow topics to be gossip at all. But perhaps I just need some examples Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
In my mind, all subjective chatter (cannot be measured and verified) qualifies as 'gossip' when it involves speculating upon the the thoughts, words and deeds of other persons. Understandably, many people consider the negative connotations to be 'gossip' while other such discussions get labeled as net-working, socializing, sharing etc. What's a 'highbrow topic' as example, and how do such speculations differ if they cannot be proven by the scientific method? :shrug: Definitions are always helpful yet many words and terms are defined in more than one manner.
This whole thread is a marvelous example of 'gossip' as we have Hellenologophobia's perception of a remark made by his friend as the basis for the opening post. We really have no idea what the female party of this discussion was expecting in the matter. As a female, I feel somewhat obligated to state this observation. Unless the woman in question spoke the word's directly to Hellenologophobia, we have no idea of what her actual expectations or feelings are in the matter. Just saying.....:shrug: From subsequent posts, it would seem that the 'spark' between the parties may not be sufficient to ignite interest or I would think the meaning would have been queried and cleared up between them by now. Then again, 'hearsay' (the friend's remark) can be very difficult to follow up on graciously. :bugeye:
Her friend's perspective of you was desired. (She liked you, but needed her friend's "okay/proceed" stamp of approval). Seems a normal step for an "out of town" relationship, which is always dicey with the distances involved. This detail is superfluous and dangerous. Better to have ordered something light, and coffee jitters after lunch?, while your being assessed?...bad form. You were in a hurry (coffee jitters, nervousness, etc?) Busy, coffee jitters, nervousness can bring out on one's face some negative expressions that are not intended or being actually felt, like a look of annoyance, not ready for a relationship, preoccupied, etc) Possible cracking under pressure. Juggling a daughter from another relationship/no back-up strategies for maintaining the daughter safely home, using the daughter as an excuse to not commit to this new out-of-town relationship, etc. You remember all these rush rush details, like you know you really don't give a shit. Maybe you're a bit annoyed of the "last minute" invite. Maybe you're jealous of the lady because she can be spontaneous at your expense, because poor you is strapped with child responsibilities. Make her feel guilty for her inconsiderate timing?
