I and others have Experienced 'WE ARE ALL THE SAME'

Do you realize, DUDE, what exctasy does to you? It causes increased synapse activity throughout the brain}probably what's giving you those whacked thoughts{and resultantly elevates your brains core temperature to unusually dangerous temperatures. That's really 'dangerous'. YOU"RE MELTING YOUR BRAIN! There's nothing spiritual about melting your frickin' axons.

 

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900 joints in one sitting to O.D. on weed. Time magazine Oct. 2002

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:m: :m: :m: :m: :m:

900 extacsty pills

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Sorry Mrhero54. I didn't know that was a statistic! I'll remember that one because the one I found obviously wasn't good enough to remember! I made an effort too, but I was stoned when i read it.

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This is true! Use enough Ecstacy and when your older your brain will have used up all of your 'happy chemicals' (you only get so much and the brain doesn't manufacture it) and you'll become depressed (and possibly suicidal if you used enough). I've seen this on t.v. and heard it from freinds but I do have my doubts that the brain doesn't produce it's own chemicals. Maybe it is the chemical producing part that is destroyed? Maybe thats what was said? Anyway it was something like that. If you go on a big high from ecstacy there will be a deficit to pay later with a big low.

 

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tangent......
>How can i not be a part of your mind if you are replying to the thoughts of my mind?

because our minds both exist in this psyical world - and i can read what you write. I can prove to you that you are not part of my mind. Here goes.... what am I thinking now?

Ian...

>snowflake if you havnt experienced it for yourself ever you cannot have an opinion on it fact

Ian.. I HAVE EXPERIENCED this for myself - SO I DO HAVE AN OPINION - ive taken mdma for over 15 years now and ive felt exactly what you talk of. and ive taken a lot of other things that you probably havent yet (and to the extreme) and fortunetley im still here so i can let you know what i have learned. and one thing i have learned is that mdma is fantastic for oneself - but it paints a pretty false picture of what is really going on in the world. Yes it makes you feel like we are all the same and at one with each other and full of love - but do you really truely feel like that when you are not on the drug? if your honest - the answer is no - the drug makes you feel that way. if you want the real truth about things mdma wont help you, but for sure keep taking it if you want - it sure can be fun for YOU.. but you will get bored of its fakeness after a while.

 

The key to all drug use

do all things in moderation

 

You are thinking:

"I bet he doesn't know what I am thinking now"

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Ok, so our minds exist in the same physical universe, so we are still part of the one thing. I think where we are getting mixed up is the definitions. You seem to arguing that our minds are not the same [I may agree with you there], whereas I am arguing that we are both part of the same system, one that allows itself to fragment and experience separateness.

And I do often feel love for the whole universe [honestly] when I am not on drugs. It took a lot of work and confronting of myself and the realities around me, but I know that it is possible.

I agree *strongly* with your warning about the chemical dependence that may arise, but at the same time it shouldn't rule out the possibility of non-chemically induced bliss.

Just to head off some counterarguments [I have been arguing with myself for many years]: I don't believe that people are inherently "good" or "evil", in an infinite universe all things are possible except non-existence of the said universe [cause something already exists], if all things exist, there must be a scenario where everything is cool, so as long as it happens once, everything's OK. I think that there is a lot to discuss, but in my experience i am beginning to realise that the "paradise" we are all searching for is closer than we think.

 

Drugs only create the illusion of being free. Freedom comes from inside out. It is not something physical, or something that is experienced. You can be in prison, and still feel free. You can also be out of prison and don't feel free. Freedom is a state of mind. If you think about it, in prison, youare confined to a little place. But still, Earth is a very little place and we don't have much freedom to get out of it. So freedom is really relative.

Drugs can make people feel high while they are using it, but once the effect passes, there is a lack of seretonine in the brain and then they get extremely depressed. It is also a chemical dependence, so it has absolutly nothing to do with freedom.

Freedom comes from how you accept and believe in what comes to you. It is something that you get from inside out, not from outside.

 

tangent, no i was thinking 'id like a banana right now'

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>And I do often feel love for the whole universe [honestly] when I am not on drugs. It took a lot of work and confronting of myself and the realities around me, but I know that it is possible.

fantastic - i do also - i was never saying this was not possible. i was just saying mdma paints a false picture of this - for one to feel this truely they must understand a lot more more about life and why we are what we are - than to simply take a pill and feel it momentarily. thats fake.

as for good and evil - we are all good and evil - the ability to have both is what give us our free mind - freedom is the ability to do anything you want - that includes good and evil. the people that i think are truely good people on this world are the ones that understand the difference between an action that is good (i.e. anything you want as long as it does not hurt or take away something away from another man) and one that is evil (doing something purely for oneself that is to the disadvantage of another man) and live by this - or at least are aware of this and try and make others aware of this.

 

lol!

see! we agree!

I know you're not going to believe this but i did have a fleeting thought "he feels like having some [kinda fruit]" the feeling was more strawberrish though

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<< maybe I just made that up to make myself believe that our minds are the same! hah!

ANYWAYZ: an analogy bout drugs....

drugs are like taking the helicopter to the top of a very high mountain. Yes, the view might be wonderful, and now you know it exists, but if you stepped out you are not going to last long. Better to work your way up, on foot, by yourself, so by the time you reach the top again, you can survive and experience the truth with as little extra baggage and maximum clear sense experience. You are also ready to tackle the next mountain.

If you keep taking the helicopter, not only do you get unfit so less able to do it on your own, but you are at the mercy of the helicopter pilot, manufacturer, and petroleum supplier.

cheers all i'm going to sleep...

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Hmmm...never heard about these 'unmanufacturable' brain chemicals. I know the main ones can almost always be produced - dopamine, norapinephrine GABA etc. Then again, it's been a while since I studied this topic. Could be.

Here's what I do know:
The compounds in extasy(and other drugs) often get stuck in the clumps of brain tissue (nerve ends - along with the other transmitting chemicals{can't remember the scientific name}), and reak their effect later on - often at undesirable times. They take a while to degenerate. Though I wouldn't be surprised if you became depressed afterwards, because after huge highs, your brain is apt to encounter a huge phase of dormant activity. Synapsing is really hard work. Your brain needs to rest after a bout of it. That's why you might feel somewhat tired after a test or even wasted after a three hour exam. It's ironic that thinking too much can be bad for you. The unfortunate truth is that it can cause irreprable damage. I have a friend who knows an older physicist (retired). His brain had shrunk down like a prune. No kidding.

Since synnapsing is all based on electrical impulses, enough of it can literally melt your brain tissue, or at least destroy some of the connections. That's what exctasy does. When you take it, you inhibit the chemicals which inhibit enzyme catalysis, leading to the destruction of the synnaptic impulse. In other words, you make it impossible for you brain to stop passing along impulses (stop itself from thinking). Dillusions might manifest themselves in the way this raver is describing. I can guarantee you that one of these days, HIM, or somebody he knows, will be in hospital because of this. They'll go absolutely whacky and then pass out. If they do survive the trip, there is a high probability that they will loose a lot of brain functionality - often permanently - or be disabled in some other manor. This is why I'm against allowing such drugs to be widely distributed. People aren't educated(take a hazard look the guy who started this thread) They don't know what they're talking about. >>>If the government were to legalize these kinds of drugs, it would cost the system a fortune. Our universal medicare--or whatever's still left of it-- would be no more.


From what I understand, exctasy is one of the most dangerous drugs around. It causes permanent damage. The best thing you can do is ignore these ravers and their bogus claims. Try and educate them. If they still don't listen, it'll be like jumping into a barrel of industrial waste. They die off, and do us a favour. The shallow end of our gene pool will be no more.

 

You know, I'd just like to mention that my first name is Ian. So, from one Ian to another Ian, herrro!

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Anyhoo, can't say I'm into this drug stuff. Not yet, anyway. The drug program at my elementary school really worked. They could have turned me into a republican with that type of enthusiasm:bugeye:

I think that, while on this drug, your profile here should be "Ianthefreespirit." I think while off of it your profile should be "Ianthetrappedspirit" and I think when you're asleep your profile should be "Iantheunconsciousspirit" and I think that when you're turned on by something your profile should be "Iantheexcitedspirit." Just some suggestions for ya. Welcome to sciforums

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Nope, mdma

 

coherent? are you kidding? I went through it while I was reading what you wrote, without mdma

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well, DUH (80's flashback) to sentence number 1 - they both dehydrate you, no one with about 10% common sense would do that and not be prepared for the consequences...

It's lethal to EVERYONE ... they both DEHYDRATE

Anyway, the problems people have with mdma are drinking too much, or not enough... quite solvable, but yeah....

stupid teens!

 

Someone once told me I had esp.

 

Mercury,... you should have said mercury.

I loved the bit on the beads.

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I would now like to present the analogy of a car, let's compare paragraphs....

EXTREMELY ROUGH SPEEDING/OFFROADING/RACING CARS can make people feel high while they are using it, but once the EXTREMELY ROUGHSPEEDING/OFFROADING/RACING passes, there is a lack of A CAR and then they get extremely depressed. It is also a dependance, so it has absolutely nothing to do with freedom.

"So, just because I abuse my car, but have tons of fun, means I should never do it. The car will die sooner, and i'll be sad, but I'm the kind of person that wants to have fun... you go around driving the speed limit on your roads..."
- Danny Danger

 

But the truly smart person knows that you can't know if something will actually be for the better or worse for someone, for the most part. In other words, if what I think would be helping you would actually put you at a disadvantage, and vice versa, there is a difference. And intent is irrelevant here, because you can never truly say you know the intent of another.

 

So, this brain size in different humans, which scientists use to determine elovutionary tracks and cultural growths, is actually purely based on the amount one has used a noggin in a specific life. (the dumb people, thought to be of one time period, actually only share the commonality of big-noggins due to lack of use, and vice versa)

Someone tell the scientists!

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Wow, the dexterity with which you compiled an interesting message without actually talking about the topic and making it all fit somehow was quite impressive. To think you wrote a post without actually "writing anything on the topic."

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DOH! Where's my holier than thou angel smiley, hmm, i wonder.... :angel:.... <---- hopefully that's an angel.... otherwise, here's a rose @}~'~~~