how fast must i run

Discussion in 'Physics & Math' started by kingcarrot, Feb 1, 2012.

  1. kingcarrot Registered Senior Member

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    how fast must i run to jump off the planet and use only the earths gravity to continue "flying" around the planet (assuming that mountains don't get in the way and that there is no wind)?
     
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  3. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    About 18,000 MPH would do it for that's what it takes to reach orbit with any rocket that is sent into space. Better be in damn good shape to reach that escape velocity!

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  5. cjard Registered Senior Member

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    what do you mean by "flying around the planet? you want to be flying above a statis point on the planet (geostationary satellite) or do you want to see the land scrolling past underneath you?

    18,000mph would have to be the vertical component needed to escape.. there'd also be a horizontal (relative to the earth's surface) component if you want to scroll the land..pythagoras should give that to you
     
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  7. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    Are you asking what is the orbital velocity if you are tens of feet above the surface of the earth?
     
  8. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    At sea level, ignoring air resistance, a speed of about 8000 m/s or 2200 km/hr would do the trick.
     
  9. Pete It's not rocket surgery Registered Senior Member

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    You have a units conversion mistake, James... try about 28000 km/hr.

    +/- up to 1700km/hr, depending on direction and latitude (unless assuming a nonrotating Earth)
     
  10. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Oops. You're right. The 8000 m/s is right. But then I divided by 3.6 to convert to km/hr instead of multiplying. 28000 km/hr is about right.
     
  11. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    I guess you would burst into flames prior to achieving the desired speed though (glad Leblanc didn't hear that!).

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  12. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Rockets don't generally burst into flames when they launch into orbit.
     
  13. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    True, but they are specially designed for such, don't achieve those speeds until they reach the upper atmosphere, etc. I'm sure you're aware that rocket capsules in orbit that re-enter the atmosphere experience tremendous heating in the process, to the point that they will completely disintegrate unless they are specially shielded with custom heat-insulating materials. I would fully expect that a human being running at sea level would indeed burst into flames long before reaching 28 Mm/hr.
     
  14. Cyperium I'm always me Valued Senior Member

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    Another way to say it is that you need to run fast enough so that when you jump you will fall according to the earths curvature.

    You have a downward acceleration of 9.81 m/s, then we need to know how many metres per second you need to travel to make 9.81 m/s represent earths curvature.

    I don't know the calculation needed for this though, but that would be my reasoning if I were to understand how to arrive at the results.


    One reasoning might be the formula for a circle, if given a inward motion, how much would I need to compensate by forward speed?
     
  15. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    This is how I calculated it.

    For a circular orbit of radius \(r\) under the force of gravity the net force exerted on a mass \(m\) by the Earth (mass \(M\)) is:

    \(F=\frac{GMm}{r^2}=\frac{mv^2}{r}\)

    Re-arranging gives:

    \(v=\sqrt{\frac{GM}{r}}\)

    This is the required orbital speed.

    The relevant numbers at the Earth's surface are:

    \(G=6.67\times 10^{-11}, M=6\times 10^{24}, r=6.37\times 10^6\)

    to get a speed in metres per second.
     
  16. Cyperium I'm always me Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks for the equations! I was probably a bit off with my reasoning so it's nice to see what was behind the numbers.
     

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