Is the earth expanding?

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"I have no idea. I thought that as a proponent of that theory, you'd know more about who supports it and the details of it." No one on the Science forums has shown support as yet. I've explained my hypothesis to my daughter's partner who has a PhD in Physics, it took him a while to get the hang of it but it can't be faulted as far as I can tell.

"Have you considered the water vapour?" Yes but it is not part of my hypothesis so I don't really need to prove what happened to the water. But having an ocean of water as clouds takes a bit of imagination. But it could happen.


"Well, I'm not an expert on the early formation of the Earth. Apparently you are. So why don't you post some of the evidence that supports your claims, along with your reasoning and calculations?" I have put some of the new calculations on a thread in Physforums (getting too big now) but I could bring it across.


"Great! Show me your calculations. I'd love to take a look for myself." You will see how it it is a viable option. I'll do it for you James.


"When was the late protosun period?" Whose periods are these? These periods are the ones used by everyone else, late protosun is after the Protoplanetary disk has separated and the protosun is compressing in a region of the current sun.


"How do you refute the hypothesis that the gravity of Jupiter prevented a planet forming at the distance of the asteroid belt?"

The volatiles are blown off the inner Terrestrial Planets and the half formed Asrtoid Belt, (after the T Tauri and Main sequence Sun stages) and this huge amount of matter accumulates in the toruses forming Jupiter and the other Gas Giants.
The amount of matter missing from the (5)Terrestrial planets matches to some degree what is gained by the rest.

So in my hypothesis Jupiter only grows massive after the Sun is fired up and has already destroyed the chances of the Astroid Belt forming a planet.
The secret is the planets are formed in a sequence as the radiant pressure pushes on the leading edge of the Protoplanetary dust disk. Concentric toruses are formed and these gather like huge worms (that contract) into planetesimals and later into one main planet per belt. But the first four planets form while there is the gentle pressure of the protosun as the driving force.

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I've explained it to you before. Matter is motion. The natural order of the universe is a density order, where the core of an object is the most dense and the density decreases the further away from the core.

A sphere can not stay the same because motion is not free. Motion is at a cost. Just like your body will decompose if you don't eat, so will mass decompose if you don't "feed it (force)," ie, it must grow in volume because it can't stay the same (perpetual motion), and it requires additional force to compress a mass into a smaller volume. So it can't get smaller, and it can't stay the same, so the natural progression of mass is to get less dense by means of growing in volume, presumably in a spherical way, because the sphere is the equilibrium shape.

There is only 3 possibilities for the future of an object.

1. Stay the same forever. (NOT!)
2. Same mass shrinking into a smaller volume. (Requires additional force)
3. Same mass expanding into a larger volume. (Natural progression according to the second law of thermodynamics!)

 

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I have a feeling you might be onto something here.

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The only thing he appears to be onto is some form of hallucinogenic drug. Specifically he says

Yes indeed and we call that 'additional' force gravity.

 

I've though MotorDaddy was bit odd too, but I liked that post.

(Either it gets compressed or it Expands)

Earth => requires additional force or Mass => Compressed Earth .


Earth => Loses Mass => Rebound from forced compression => Expanding Earth

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So here is what you are saying. You say that an object such as the universe will continue to get smaller and smaller in volume, retaining the same mass, hence getting more and more dense, infinitely, because of gravity!

One of us is hallucinating and it certainly isn't me!

You are on serious drugs if you think gravity causes an object to get more and more dense. Take our solar system for instance. The planets are getting FURTHER away from the sun. The moon is getting FURTHER away from earth. The mass surrounding a black hole came from the black hole and is moving OUTWARDS, AWAY from the black hole. MASS EVOLVES TO SPACE, at every level of the universe!

 

Motor Daddy, how long have you been on this crusade of yours?

 

Not a crusade, just stating the obvious. It's too bad people can't see things for what they really are. It's a darn shame.

 

Throw me a link then.

 

The problem for you is that most people do see things for what they really are. Which means anyone with more than half a brain sees your ideas a really, really silly.

 

So you see things for what they really are and agree with Ophiolite that gravity causes objects to become more and more dense?

So you think the universe is getting smaller in volume all the while retaining the same mass and getting more and more dense due to gravity?

If not, and you think the universe is expanding and growing in volume and getting less dense while retaining the same mass, then what you are saying is that mass is evolving to space. You are saying that the universe is getting less dense over time by means of expanding the volume and maintaining the same mass, all the while gravity is present and NOT making the universe MORE dense over time.

 

A few years back they weren't sure which way it would go.

 

Because they have the wrong idea of what gravity is. I know what gravity is, and it isn't an "attraction," it is a constant "repositioning" towards the proper density order. It is NOT an attraction! It is an effort to get back to the equilibrium point of the natural density order which is more dense at the core and less dense as you get further away from the core.

 

OK :bugeye:

 

The law of averages indicates that one day, at some point, you are going to say something that makes sense and is correct. I only hope that I am not caught of guard and develop a cerebral aneurism or something.

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The statistics show that when I ask you a question and you realize you are backed into a corner and have no way out other than to agree with me, that you will evade answering the question.

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Right again. You're on a roll. So if something is repositioned, and it isn't done by attraction how is the repositioning mediated? What is happening? How does the matter know where to go to get into the right order?

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I'm sorry, but it looks like (...)

 

I'm sorry, but it looks like you'r wrong here. The only observations I posted in post #678 are the two following pictures:

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They show convergence between Cyrenaica and Aegean Sea at a rate of several cm/year, and 270 Myear old Mediterranean seafloor being subducted, disapearing, being no more observable (without drill). I see also what seem to be a tectonic flow in Aegean Sea and in Anatolia. A flow which goes to SW in Aegean Sea, and to W in Anatolia. I see also some other things, but I see no Earth expansion, I see no "observation of Earth expansion".

What do you see in those pictures?

No, you didn't comment my post #678 in your post #679. Your post #679 was and is currently (quote included):

It does not comment my post #678. I doesn't answer the two questions I wrote in my post #678. I doesn't tell who it is answering to. It doesn't tell what it is answering to. It doesn't use the quote function.

What are you talking about?

I have never "tried [...] to invade [your] private life".

Asking for the observations of Earth expansion is "dirty rhetoric"?

What the hell are you talking about?

How convenient!