Looks like no white Christmas for most folks. Could global warming be to blame?

Discussion in 'Earth Science' started by RioNapo, Dec 7, 2011.

  1. RioNapo Registered Member

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    while you can't use short term weather to measure global warming's advance, this nina year has been one of the warmest years overall (including non la nina years in comparison) globally and could end in most large cities getting a green Christmas. White Christmases used to be common which is why snow is an important symbol of the season, but latey it is hard for the snow to maintain itself for half the winter. Toronto is in Canada away from any oceans and it often lacks snow at christmas and half of winter. Chicago is cold enough to get white Christmas most years, but if the current weather pattern continues, most other large cities will have a green Christmas.
     
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  3. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    No.
     
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  5. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    No it hasn't.

    Hadley Hadcrut3v global temps:

    http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/hadcrut3vgl.txt

    2010 monthly temps starting in January.

    0.478 0.463 0.569 0.559 0.513 0.53 0.537 0.487 0.393 0.397 0.452 0.265

    Annual Average = 0.470

    2011 monthly temps starting in January.

    0.216 0.273 0.328 0.397 0.335 0.424 0.445 0.435 0.363 0.348 0 0

    Annual Average so far = 0.356 (note no Nov or Dec global temps yet posted)

    Note EVERY month in 2011 so far is colder than the corresponding month in 2010.

    Or consider the average for the first 10 months of the last 10 years, ONLY 2008 is lower than 2011.

    2001 = 0.4067
    2002 = 0.4731
    2003 = 0.4663
    2004 = 0.4422
    2005 = 0.4848
    2006 = 0.4142
    2007 = 0.427
    2008 = 0.3226
    2009 = 0.4371
    2010 = 0.4926

    2011 = 0.356
     
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  7. parul Registered Senior Member

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    Extreme cold weather has only to do with weather and forces that are beyond our control.

    It is fun to laugh at how wrong the alarmunists are, however.
     
  8. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    It never snows in Bethlehem, Palestine
     
  9. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    It's snowed twice in 150 years in Auckland, New Zealand, and neither time was at Christmas.
     
  10. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    I wouldn't focus on year-to-year trends, guys. I myself have tended to be on the skeptical side regarding these climate claims, but there's now very strong and thoroughly-corroborated evidence (multiple investigations using multiple completely different methods) that overall global temperatures climbed dramatically over the last 100 years, and have been higher in recent years than at any time in the last 1000.

    Look up the "hockey stick phenomenon" or read about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_stick_controversy

    It's getting increasingly difficult to brush this stuff aside. Apparently the problem is now looking even worse than climate scientists were expecting, and if we continue along this path for a few more decades and pass the tipping point, there will be a catastrophic and irreversible change in the global climate. All the same, we need a climate pact which will actually reduce worldwide greenhouse gas emissions and not simply chase manufacturing jobs to countries with even looser pollution standards.
     
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  12. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    I blame the Christians for fetishizing the appearance of frozen precipitation on the birthday of their favorite mythical character.
     
  13. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Drat. And on what shall we blame the dearth of actual flying camels?
     
  14. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    Not in the area of Texas where I live. Here, a white Christams is definitely not the norm. :shrug:
     
  15. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    Look, the one time we had a white New Year's here...nobody in Houston knows how to drive on it sober , ok???

    I don't want a repeat showing of "drunks on ice."

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  16. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I thought you were kidding but it seems you are right. Its rare but it happens. I stand corrected
     
  17. RioNapo Registered Member

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    I just found out on accuweather that the white Christmas 'dream' is based on Christmases from the litle ice age in the 1800's. since then, most needed luck to have a white Christmas because chances are small in almost all major cities in the US.
     

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