Ibeg to differ. You are assuming a perfect target scenario. It may not happen that way. I know how to shoot. My kids know how to shoot. My spouse knows how to shoot. I still won't put a gun in my home for protection. I do not expect to convince you, but you can't convince me either. And I have been around guns for over 40 years. I do not hold it against you. Your home. Your family.
Again, where did I say I could never kill anyone? I made the point that pointing a gun at another human being is more difficult than some may imagine. It would be extremely difficult to kill another human being as well. I also said I would attack someone if my kids lives were in danger. If there was aloaded gun next to me I'd shoot it up in the air or do whatever I needed to do. BUT I would NEVER have loaded weapons within easy access in my home.
All of us have martial arts training and your basic and advanced self defense. I left my kids alone after age 12 for sure. I didn't say I go to Vegas while my 12 year is home alone. But I certainly left them home after a certain age. Again, I don't keep guns in my home not because I don't know how to handle a gun. Nor because I couldn't muster the balls to use one to protect another if necessary , but because For Me and my kids and grandkids I believe guns around pose too much of an every day danger to risk it. And the use of a gun in a dangerous situation could turn deadlier for my family than the attack itself. If my family is unarmed they could also be allowed to live. If armed they could be killed as the intruder protects himself. Etc etc too many scenarios. I wouldnt have all my alarm system bells and whistles on all day long. What if I am in the crapper? What about when we are away from home? I don't want to carry a concealed either. And if I leave all the bells and whistles on 24/7 I would not use that advanced alarm to get to my gun-- ( which would not be easily accessible) unlock the gun and unlock the ammo and load it-- but to take other protective measures. Again my choice. I don't expect you to have to make My choices. As you know many people have been shot (or shot someone else) while loading a gun in an unstressful situation let alone while freaked. I've shot machine guns and a 50 cal (awesome BTW), I'm friends with a well known gun guy whose particular design component is probably on a lot of the guns you have. But I still don't want guns in my home, in my vehicles, or concealed on my person. Period. Seen too much, heard too much to take that risk. BB
Hmm? "We all know how to use guns and we all go hunting and we shoot and kill animals with them, but I'd never keep one of them things in the house, they are just too dangerous, and besides if someone was breaking in I'd probably shoot myself or a family member while loading it. Seen too much, heard too much to take that risk."
I never said my kids and I hunt. The quote above is not my words. My extended family all hunt meaning I have been around guns. What about my kid or spouse shooting herself or a family member. I neve said I probably would shoot a family member as you quote me. But that it isn't worth the risk. It happens all the time under normal circumstances and by those who know how to handle guns. I don't consider my opinion on the matter the joke that you appear to, but reality. Shooting for fun or learning under very controled conditions is a risk I take, yes. I knew who I was with and where my kid was at all times. We don't run through the woods with guns. And now that my kids are grown they don't shoot at all. A dangerous hobby-- shooting for fun--could be. But as has been pointed out so is getting in a car-- and driving to WallyWorld or sledding for that matter. BB
Take a look at how many "accidental" killings there are with children at home: http://www.google.com/#hl=en&cp=29&...w.,cf.osb&fp=cfc3d9a59c65e3bb&biw=960&bih=533 That should tell you something that most people don't realize, that children will get into things they shouldn't even when they are taught the proper way to handle a weapon. More children are killed than robbers with weapons at home today so the education isn't really happening where people claim it is. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Excuse me, do you not know what ENTIRE means? Entire: Having no part excluded or left out I think one would normally read that, with the ENTIRE qualifier, as including you, your wife and kids as well as your relatives.
There would be a lot more injured and dead women if that came to pass. ============ Chattanooga woman shoots herself in the foot after domestic spat A Chattanooga woman is receiving treatment at a hospital after shooting herself in the foot this morning, according to the Chattanooga Police Department. . . . At some point during the dispute, Strong pulled a sawed-off shot gun with the intention to use it against Finley, who tried to leave the home. As Strong followed him to the doorway with the gun, the screen door slammed on her and the gun fired, striking her foot, Weary said. ================ Police: Woman Dies, Accidentally Shot Self Near Starbucks Woman Triggered Gun When Reaching For It In Purse SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- A woman accidentally shot herself to death Wednesday afternoon in a parking lot near the intersection of Ramona Avenue and Power Inn Road, according to police at the scene. ================ Would all that maiming and death be worth the additional protection? Maybe, maybe not. It's up to the person. But the idea that guns are magic shields against violence that pose no risk to the user is a fantasy. ========== 8-Yr-Old Boy Shoots Self at Gun Show By SARAH NETTER Oct. 27, 2008 With his father and a firearms instructor standing nearby, an 8-year-old Connecticut boy shot himself in the head with a submachine gun yesterday, killing himself in an accident some say should never have happened. Christopher Bizilj was testing a 9 mm Micro Uzi at the Westfield Sportsman's Club in Westfield, Mass., as part of the Machine Gun Shoot and Firearms Expo, when he shot himself Sunday. "The firearm instructor prepped the weapon for him, and once it was ready he handed it to the child," Westfield Police Lt. Hipolito Nunez told ABCNews.com today. ======================= Cars don't have a button which, if accidentally pressed, kills the driver and/or the passengers. If they did, people would be a lot more hesitant about driving with their kids.
Uh....I was agreeing with you, sorry if that upset you bro. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I am not trying to convince you of anything other than that you and I are different people with different skill sets, different life circumstances and different outlooks. Guns are not the only dangerous things I own, and I completely trust my wife and son to leave my stuff alone unless they ask up front.
I have always differentiated immediate family (under my roof) and extended family (not under my roof) and so do some definitions. But I see where your confusion of my meaning came from. I lapologize for that. I also said shooting another family member was a possibility not a probability. Those definitions I hope we agree on.
I am not upset. I was referring to your point of not being practiced and lacking confidence. I have competition shooting trophies up the wazoo. My comment was that I can't control what an attack would look like, I can't depend on it going my way. Being a gun enthusiast does not necessarily prepare me across the board for an attacker. Neither BTW does martial arts training.Practice and a real life scenario They are two very different things or can be anyway. Heck, cops get shot all the time. So I weighed that for myself along with all the other things I have mentioned and don't keep guns in my home or on my person. BB
It doesn't have to matter at all. I saw the OP as a slant on gun enthusiasts. And I tried to show we all (gun enthusiasts) all don't glorify it with our kids and artillary or use guns for protection. This forum is full of dissenting opinions. As our most I would assume. I am responding with my opinion to posters responding with theirs. And as is obvious, I am not opposed to people owning guns. I would not want that right to be taken away. BB
It does matter. Your opinion can get my privilege taken away. My opinion that some people with brute strength are fucking bullies and are dangerous particularly if hot tempered...cannot have their violence taken away no matter what I think or say. It sounds ridiculous doesn't it? Because some fucking gang banging fresh off the boat Jamaican shoots people at jane and finch in Toronto with a stolen pistol from the U.S, I got to have 3 licenses to go shoot a pistol at a range. It gets me quite Irate. Because of some stupid rednecks taking fuckin retarded photos in the U.S, every good gun owner, worries of the consequences...
Our friends young son was shot point blank in the chest in front of his mother by a military gun instructor who had taught local scouts gun safety for many years. He made a mistake it was not intentional. A dumb one, yes. But anyone can make a dumb mistake. Even the best and highly trained. BB
That is the way it ideally should be. But stupidity, brain farts and accidents happen. I don't consider my spouse and kids or even myself to be "the best and highly trained". So, no guns in our home.
Agreed 100%. And yet the three cases I listed did not have the gun intentionally pointed at anyone. Indeed, the child who was killed was pointing the gun away from anyone, and at a target on a gun range, when he pulled the trigger. Such incidents do happen, unfortunately.
