Can I have my patriotic fries please?

Discussion in 'World Events' started by 567, Feb 19, 2003.

  1. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Chinese food?

    So ... what the hell are we going to do about the thousands of Chinese restaurants dotting the landscape?

    And why does everything have to be so hokey? "Freedom toast"?! That's worse than "Liberty steak"!

    Phack! What's a Belgian waffle, these days? A Freedom grid? Should we prosecute teenagers nationwide under the Patriot Act for slipping the tongue?

    There was once an editorial cartoon in UC-Berkley's daily paper showing a peace sign for Cal-Berkley and a Mercedes symbol for Stanford. In another context, how prophetic.

    We have a lot of Volkswagen owners up here in Seattle. Should we haul them all in for giving aid and comfort to Saddam Hussein?

    Do you really wonder why they hate us, Georgie? Really?

    I didn't think it was that hard to miss. But if you ever wanted to see a bunch of allegedly distinguished people walking around with "D

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    ckhole" painted on their foreheads, 'tis the season. God only knows we need a laugh somewhere.

    Did it ever occur to people that maybe one of the reasons that the world is opposing the Iraqi Bush War is that while freedom and hope sound like nice baubles, it ain't worth turning the whole damn world into a sitcom. This somehow reminds me of the "Soup Nazi" episode of Seinfeld: "Can I have the French toast, please?" No! You get out. There is no stinking French toast here, Frenchie! Go suck your unshowered hairy mother you piece of French toadie cheese! No freedom toast for you!

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    cking freedom toast. Ben Franklin is rolling over in his dusty grave right now. And he's got the words "Do me!" painted on his ass.

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  3. Don H Registered Senior Member

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    yes our freedom is fried.
     
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  5. Persol I am the great and mighty Zo. Registered Senior Member

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    So we are about too go to war, and our government thinks changing the name of french fries is near the top of the list?

    I was reading about it in the paper, and the French diplomat pointed out that french fries aren't from France, but a portion of our language is.
     
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  7. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    The French have the last laugh

    Believe it or not, there are still Pugeots and Renaults on the road in the US. Americans hate these cars inherently as a quaity issue that contributes to, not derives from, our cultural Francophobia.

    Besides, the French have decent wine and make Lambic Framboise. It's always worth keeping the French close by.

    Euro-Disney?

    Really, Georgie? Do ya wonder?

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  8. immane1 Registered Senior Member

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    :bugeye: "It's always worth keeping the French close by."

    Thats exactly what Sadamn says.
     
  9. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Poster child

    Thank you very much, Immane1, for that sterling example of the problem.

    I think the fact that the war party treats warfare as a one-liner pretty much shows the value of the coming Bush War.

    I'll raise one to ye.

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  10. ibadreamer Registered Senior Member

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    i think the french are just playing both sides. they have deals going with sadam right now so they dont want to jump on our bandwagon. they are just protecting their investments. i dont really care what they did in the past. if france, china, germany and russia would back 1441 we would probably be able to end this whole thing without a war. they are giving sadam hope. it just shows the un has no backbone. a quick removal of sadam would make other regimes think about their future.
     
  11. VAKEMP Registered Senior Member

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    Although my views may differ from most of you, I do agree that eliminating the word "French" from all food items is, well, retarded. Whoever thought that one up should be sent to get his brain checked out immediately!
     
  12. Empty Dragon Empty Registered Senior Member

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    Uh deals? Do you have evidence or a source to back this up?

    Even with the U.N. Saddam has no hope. The U.N. has no back bone? Why is it that when the rest of the world does not agree with America they are wrong (That is a generalization but I mean it on a general term). I cannot believe the "Your either with us, or with the terrorists" mentality.

    Government itself is a terrorist organization. The Death penalty. do what we say or we will kill you. The justice system, do what we say or we will destroy you.

    Yeah they would scramble to aquire bio/chem/nukes and tell the U.S. if you move on us we will nuke you. What is Bush going to do Nuke them first? Lets start a Nuclear war boys....... It will only make things worse. Bushs view is short sighted, he is not thinking in the long run. It is a childish mentality of instant gratification. Remeber Bush used to be an alchoolic, but now he claims he doesn't drink. Well any AA member will tell you that the alchool is not the proble it is the mentality. Bush has an achoolic mentality, he belongs in rehab not in the oval office.

    Oh and that BS about France asking for help in Vietnam..Lmao The United states first hailed the revolution in Vietnam as an uprising of the people and called the leader the George Washington of Vietnam. They even supplied them with arms, but they started to deal with russia and leaned towards communisme. Then the U.S. started to finance the war from frances side, untill the point where the U.S. completly financed it. The U.S. was there to fight the Russians. The Russians funded the rebels in Vietnam and the US funded the Taliban in Afganistan. Look how that ended up. Was it not George Bush senior who supported Saddam in the Iran-Iraq war? The US put, Saddam in power in the first place.

    Bluntly all this is really the fault of the United States government. There actions have caused so much pain and suffering. This can no longer continue, this is a result of short sighted thinking and ignorant foriegn policy.

    These terrorist leaders are disgruntled employees of the United States. They funded Osama in Afganistan, Saddam in Iraq there seems to be a patern here.

    The first thing to do when you find yourself in a hole is stop digging.

    Seriously freedom fries...oh please.....
     
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  13. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    I just chowed on a nice filet mignon, had some nice Merlot, and just to say "cheers" to our friendly-fire friends, i had 3 pints o Guinness. (urp) God Bless us Every One. Ave, Mars. Yog sothoth. J'ai Shiva Shankar. ?Allah ma'akum.
    Pour le matin? Deux aspirines, le cognac, l'alka-seltzer, et le French toast. Vive la France, Vive la Paix, Vive la Vie!
     
  14. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Letter to the editor

    From the Seattle Times:
    And to imagine that, with a couple of wars and an economy in shambles, I had forgotten about term limits ....

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  15. Psycho-Cannon Home grown and Psycho Registered Senior Member

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    The bit about france asking for American help in Vietnam and then America getting pissed off when France asked for repayment of the debts America owed France for the money it lent them had me laughing.

    America always bigs up how "They saved the world" in WWII and they joined in to save us.
    It makes me sick.
    They only joined in after watching us all fight and die and refusing to help until Imperial Japan decided America was a risk and bombed them into the war.
    Even then does America turn around and look at the world fighting for its right to exist and say, hell, we will do the honourable thing, we are all in the same boat here we come to help..no.
    To "Join the war" even after being bombed they made churchill sign a bill.
    Every bit of help, be it in equipment, Men, or even administration, got accounted for and stuck on a fucking bill which we are still paying i think in order for them to help.
    At a point in the war i might add that the allies had already started, after much pain and sacrafice, started to push back the Nazi's in many points (Correct me if i'm wrong).
    I'm not saying we would of won without the Americans, sure it would of been a lot bloddier at the very least but then they didn't have a choice in joining they became a target and had no choice.
    But instead of accepting their side in the war and celebrating with the rest of us when we won, so many Americans seem to of taken over and assume "They" alone won the war, discounting all the years before them that the allies put into the war and all the sacrafice, to go harping on about how "They saved the world" and came in to "Save us" is more than just bad taste imo.

    I'm not ungratful for the help guys but the way it's being twisted and flaunted and adding to the american arrogance takes a lot away from the good they did.
    Sounds a lot like 9/11, they had the world on their side, within months they threw it back and then some.
    Now look where we are.

    I think a great point (whether this is a true story or not i don't know).
    The guy who plays Q in James bond, aparently he was captured during WWII and held as a POW.
    After about 10 years or so the Americans managed to free him and the rest of the POWS in his camp but to weed out the true POW's and the german gaurds pretending to be POW's they sat them all down and asked questions.
    The question asked to Q was, "How long have you been a POW Here?"
    He repied something to the effect of 10 years.
    At this point the American Soldier points him out and yells "HA!! Your lying!! the wars only been going on for 3 years!"
    Just another example of how "American" history, and indeed reality seems to differ from that of the rest of the world.
    The recent spat of films claiming to be based on Historical events but replacing other countries with the US Army in WWII such as U571, where instead of the British navy getting the Enigma code machine its the USA....
    In Black Hawk Down the US Army are shown as doing everything to avoid civilian casualties where the reality was a masacre of civilians by US forces that is still looked upon in disgust today, they ommited the murder of several Leaders in a peaceful conference by US Troops and helicopters....
    They seem to want to cover up History and create a new reality for people in their movies.
    Whats the world coming to...
     
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  16. orthogonal Registered Senior Member

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    I'm horrified at the recent anti-French vitriol. Some Americans are now calling Chirac and his countrymen cowards for refusing to submit to GWB's bullying. They're enraged at the temerity of the French for standing in the way of Bush's war juggernaut.

    I would remind these people that France is a sovereign nation whose views carry equal weight to those of the Bush Administration. The fact that the American military is more powerful than theirs or that our GDP is larger, has no bearing on the validity of our arguments. Might ought not make right.

    In her recent commentary, Ann Crittenden reminded us that the Spanish philosopher, José Ortega y Gasset, once called the Americans, "...a primitive people, camouflaged behind the latest inventions." Well...just as "the average human has one testicle and one breast," it's equally impossible to speak of the average American as though we were speaking of some person. There is no "American" individual; there are only individual Americans.

    It can never be established once and for all that a country can only stand for doing what is right or wrong. So-called "good" nations can act badly, as easily as "bad" nations can come to do good. Nations define themselves with their every action. These days, nearly everyone I know is outraged to some degree at what Bush is doing. I personally, am bitterly ashamed of the actions of GWB; he gives credance to Ortega y Gasset's characterization of Americans as "...a primative people."

    There were times in the past when Americans championed the cause of liberty. At this moment it appears to be the French who best understand that what we do defines who we are. Liberté, Egalité, Fraternity are sentiments as dear to me as Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. Liberty knows no nationality. In 1963, JFK proclaimed "Ich bin ein Berliner". I'm as proud of the stand JFK made against tyranny as I am today ashamed of GWB's tyranny. When the French govenment stands for the ideals that I believe in while my own govenment abandons them, then I've no choice but to say, Je suis français.

    Michael
     
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