Intellect x profanity

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by wynn, Nov 18, 2011.

  1. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    Clean?
    http://www.renfaire.com/Language/insults.html
    And here, a whole dictionary of 17th century slang and curse words:
    http://www.fromoldbooks.org/NathanBailey-CantingDictionary/transcription.html
    And a little of modern-day slang
    http://septicscompanion.com/showcat.php?cat=insults

    Flipping through that 17th century rogue's dictionary...one finds that a screw is a common prostitute, and thus the verb, to screw, would mean, I guess, to rut with someone like one would a common whore.

    That was perhaps the filthiest sentence I have ever posted here.

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  3. Pineal Banned Banned

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    I do this on occasion. I find it expressive. These words have a use other words do not. I grew up in a household that occasionally used them. Almost never aimed at the other person, perhaps even never - except words like 'damn' which is profane to some. The circle of friends I had and peers in general used these words. My friends, generally not aimed at each other or me, but often to express strong emotion: exasperation, anger, dispointment often about events or third parties. Essentially what I am saying is it is a part of the English I grew up in. There were implicit rules, more strict in my house, about when one could use these and how they could be aimed. Almost everywhere one was allowed to use them in relation to third parties and events if these were suffienctly bad. With peers there was more freedom.

    I have often mulled over the fact that it is silly to ban them - in English they are often just the Anglo Saxon words with are 'not as fine' as the latin based versions - which is really a class prejudice. At the same time, the fact that these words are 'bad' gives them some of their expressiveness. They would not work. If I look at that positively, something easier for me since I grew up in an environment where pretty much all the main adults in my life did use them on occasion, the word had extra charge and one had to have some justification for using them, but they were not forbidden at all completely.

    In a sense they are like very technical terms which are innappropriate for many situations. They fit certain situations and not others.

    I tend to be conservative with people I do not know, until I get a sense of their use of profanities.
     
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  5. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    Wow Glenda's Fossock was in the list .
     
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  7. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    I used to curse to offend, I was punk...and quite frankly, I wanted to use all the sorting mechanisms possible to drive away those people who would eventually curl their lip at me in disgust just as I was getting to trust them enough to where they could hurt me.
    That's the secret of a lot of scary-looking, tough acting people, you know...they are big marshmallows inside.

    But...too, my environs changed, twentysomethings these days ALL curse and I swear(!) the F bomb is both, noun, verb, adjective, adverb, and whatever else...if it were banned from their vocabulary they'd be reduced to pantomime.
    I guess I feel totally outfilthed.

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    Too, I like flexing the vocabulary. It's fun.

    But...I still curse. It's habit. It expresses emotion well. Besides, I gave up recreational drugs, casual sex, alcohol, reckless behavior, meat, dairy, and lack of exercise...I would feel entirely too d@mn viceless and goody-goody if I stopped cussing also.
     
  8. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    But that means others must use them first, before you do. That's not equal communication.

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  9. Pincho Paxton Banned Banned

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    Fairly intelligent people still have some random connections that are fairly basic. Younger people still have quite a few random connections. If you are extremely intelligent you have so few random connections that the profanities stop happening.
     
  10. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    Huh? random connections=creativity.
    No novel connections=no creative thinking.

    Cussing-has to do with one's subcultural background only.
     
  11. Pincho Paxton Banned Banned

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    Swearing isn't creative thinking. When I say random, I mean useless random. Somebody posted a comment to me yesterday as an insult which had to do with fireworks, and ass... randomly useless connections. I have lived my life deliberately making sure that I have perfect connections, even my dreams make sense.
     
  12. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    :bugeye:

    :wtf:

    Yanno...

    I was going to start questioning this perfection, as perfection assumes some sort of fixed standard one is to measure up to, and how one judges one's own mental processes, and organizes one's dreams...

    But you know what? I think I'm just gonna let you sail onward.

    Don't respond to this, Pincho. Just do your thing, man, do your thing.
     
  13. Dysmania Registered Senior Member

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    When you've gained a certain amount of knowledge there have been many occasions where people didn't understand you. So you become bitter...And begin to swear... because you live in a world filled with logical paradigms with the most irrational selfish people.
     
  14. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    It's silly to be bitter.
     
  15. Pineal Banned Banned

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    I get a sense in a more complicated way than just listening for the specific words. When I was younger however, you are correct. There was a lack of balance in a global way with me and others. They set the culture and I joined it. But there are clues to how people use or at least are OK with profanities. I haven't consciously worked these out, but I haven't gotten negative feedback on my use, and generally the people I have used them with have also. It seems to be working OK.
     
  16. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    I've worked with a lot of fellows in my life, and very often, when something goes sideways, they will react with a string of profanity. Some females, also, seem to feel they are acting empowered by the use of unprofessional language. At my present workplace, I am the only female working graveyards, and I have to say that the fellows generally conduct themselves well, at least if they suspect that I am within earshot, and I have demonstrated that I can hear an ant break wind from several aisles away, lol....

    'Unprofessional conduct' is a serious misdemeanor under our collective agreement. Nonetheless, as I have explained to the lads, "If you break a jar of pickled beets on the floor, I am not going to write you up if you feel the need to say something stronger than 'Aw, shucks.'"

    The occasional use of profanity as a release of emotion does not offend me when it happens in real time.

    Why anyone would feel the need to actually type such dialogue in a public forum does give me reason to question. :bugeye:

    Perhaps that is because I am not a terribly fast typist.

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  17. Pincho Paxton Banned Banned

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    I suppose the ants must have eaten the beetroot that dropped on the floor...
     
  18. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    LOL.....

    They probably hitched a ride with the German tourists and were picnicking on Octoberfest sausage and beer prior to arrival, the little sots.

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    Actually, just a figure of speech, as we have strict control measures for any kind of pest and we run a tight operation. Many people prefer our venue because we are known for customer service and attention to rotation and food safety.
     
  19. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    Swear words are used because they create an emotional induction onto an otherwise rational discussion. A swear word will make you feel something. The feeling induction, can then be used to induce emotional thinking, where the feeling will fuel the subsequent thought processing.

    As an example, the used car salesman uses the same technique but with nice words. His nice words make you feel good. The hope is the good feelings will carry over when it is time to make a decision about buying the car. The induced feeling can induce emotional thinking that can bypasses cool logic, so you buy the car with your heart and not the mind. The heart will miss details. (he is so nice therefore the 100 year warranty has to be true).

    Swears tend to be an insult or have a negative impact, since they are taboo words. The goal is a sour feeling induction, so one starts to reason from the heart and not the cool mind. This can lead a rational person to sound off from the heart, and so they lose the clarity of their logical mind. This tactic often gets people thrown off the site, with the instigator never being found to guilting of the induction.

    It is like the used car salesman works the customer and the customer gets ripped off. The staff typically blames the customer but never the salesman. It does not bother me either way, since I know how the game works. But it does waste time getting back on topic.
     
  20. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Baroque is perverted?
    Nonsense.
    Are you saying that the music of Bach is perverted?
     
  21. Pincho Paxton Banned Banned

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    Yes but is this an argument for, or against intellect? I see emotion as a loss of control, and therefore a loss of intelligent reasoning.
     
  22. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    Duh. Read again:

    There are baroque ornaments, and then it is possible to pervert baroque ornaments, thus making them perverted baroque ornaments.
     
  23. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Could you give examples?
     

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