Dreams

Observation of sleeping dogs (since you should let them lye) suggests that they do what dogs do on a day to day basis in a dream state. Walk, run, bark, smell things etc.

With the evolution of BCI's (brain computer interfacing) and the capacity to perhaps capture dreams, one day we might see if they dream of flying etc.

 

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On two occasions, I have observed my horses asleep and dreaming, on a warm day in summer. Horses most often rest on their sternum to better facilitate a quick rising and departure if threatened.

In both cases the horse was totally relaxed and laying stretched full out on the right side, it's limbs twitching rhythmically, as were the ears, and the horse was making soft sounds indicative of contentment.

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There are two schools of thought on the subject, the first implies pretty much what Read-Only put forwards because it's the only posed rational answer.

The problem is that it doesn't always fit.

For instance I once had a "dream" that itself was cine-noire, at the end of this "film" there were credit's in Russian or Eastern European. I don't speak the particular language and I'm not 100% familiar with their alphabet and to have a list of names and positions within a "film production" be spontaneously made by "the fragmented bits being pieced together by my subconscious"... really doesn't fit the bill at all.

So the second school of thought is that dreams are un-natural, inserted by other people for whatever means. Obviously I've stated this ambiguously being "other people", as there are many different potentials all with their own motives for manipulating the human mind.

Personally I know to treat dreams with a pinch of salt. Don't look for symbology in them, don't be manipulated by them, don't allow dreams to control decisions you make in real life, others your leaving yourself open to being an easy mark.

 

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Does anyone else smell piss and vinegar?

Oh... it's Gendy....welcome back.

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Sodomites, a zipper away from oily discharge, are forever smelling piss and vinegar.

(What??? Haven't I been..ahem, shuffle, sniff.....civil in here?)

 

Of course....just missed your unique brand of humor. Kind of like I missed having gravel removed from road rash with a coarse brush.

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In psychology dreams can be used to tell something about the patient. If there is a source of repression potential builds in the brain. The release of this potential will often appear in dreams, when the patient is not able to use will power to reinforce the repression or dam in nueral potential. The change of potential implicit of the dream will often allow one to infer the cause and effect of the repression as well as a possible path of resolution.

The reason this is hard to see for the layman is the language of the unconscious mind is not same as that of the ego. The ego uses a subjective language like say English, where any sounds or noises can e used to mean anything, whereas the unconscious uses a collective human language called symbols that are the same for all humans. If someone said something profound in a language you did not know it would sound like gibberish or noise.

If you look at the brain in terms of hierarchy, the ego is at lowest potential. We can subliminally pick up more data than we can consciously. This subliminal is connected to the next higher layer of the hierarchy which is unconscious. The unconscious itself has it own layers with the personal unconscious closest to the ego. Then we have the collective unconscious, then the inner self. If there is potential hangup anywhere in this hierarchy due to repression for example, when we sleep and the egos will power is low, aspect at higher hierarchy potential will attempt to lower the potential.

The output data appears as dreams. The idea is to teach the ego what it needs to know to avoid reinforcement of the potential. But this assumes the ego knows the language of symbols. If not it is all gibberish.

Years ago I did some research in dreams. First I became proficient in collective human symbolism. Next I recorded my dreams each night and attempted to analysize them. This action of not repressing dreams will then cause more dreams to appear, with the nature of the dreams changing from personal to collective. In the latter, the symbols no longer appear to have anything to do with your own day to day memories. The shift was a movement from personal repression to collective repression learned from culture. If you understand the language the symbols get profound and you have a choice.

In a computer, we can plant a virus with limited influence in terms of
Programs. But that can be enough to make certain programs behave in strange ways. The inner self does a a sweep of the brain each night and wil, generates code as symbols, to help rid the virus. But it needs the ego help in not putting it back based on routines, habits, herd instinct. The ego might be cognitive of personal things that inhibit, but social regressions are harder to remove since reinforcement is done outside you. If we downplay the knowledge of programming language it makes it easier to control the herd.

 

Wellwishher:

But its brain vomit.

Dreams are, literally, a brain vomiting. What archetype can you possibly interpret of me in the following:


My dream yesterday-- hold on a sec: Bev, that nosy harridan next door who told me alllll about her prolapsed uterus, broke in and grabbed my hairbrush. She used it to pick my hair out, but only the brown ones, and put them in her Enfamil. I was angry, so I put my Piojo in a basket and tied her to a coolie, or something resembling Joan Rivers with a Soul Glo.

Then so and so told me he dreamed I tried passing off teddy bear stuffing as ground beef?

What?

Mac:

You and I know who's authored those erections.......

 

How'd the topic get changed into that?

 

That was just a joke for Gendy...because that's what she's full of.

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Wait, you dreamed of a fucking coolie? Who dreams about a coolie? That's like dreaming in 1940's-ese! I akchally see you dreaming in peppered B&W cinematography. "Ahhh, wanna' be a wise guy, eh?", "You'll never catch me coppah!", "What'ah maroon?" and all that.

~String

 

So how do we get night mares? Are they and dreams the same thing?

 

Not one of these explanations make any sense to me is there any scientific explanations regarding why we dream?

 

Correct, a coolie.

I was going in somewhere that didn't allow animals. A leftover from watching "Full Metal Jacket".
Which brings us to....

This guy..

And this guy.

Dreams-- and nightmares-- are completely nonsensical as the sleeping brain is throwing in all the images and thoughts its experienced irrespective of order and relevance.

That's why interpreting dreams for some transcendent 'meaning' is idiotic.

Its brain vomit.

 

Simulations that our brains put a minimal version of our consciousness through.

Primarily to gain experience dealing with situations. That experience can carry over into waking life and thus promote your chance of success. In some cases dreams will reduce the stress of an overstressed mind.

Anything your brain is capable of simulating. Work situations, threat situations, sex situations, fantasy situations, abstract situations, etc.

Sometimes. If you wake up while dreaming you have a good chance of remembering the dream.

 

Nightmares are threat simulations. By gaining experience dealing with threat, you are more likely to perform better in the face of threat in waking life.

Nightmares are a particular type of dream content. A dream is a natural hallucinatory simulation. A nightmare is one type of dream.

 

I once dreamt of my bike being stolen at the YMCA from the front entrance while a guy was sitting on the steps. I asked him if he had seen the thief. He had.

I had my bike stolen at the YMCA from the front entrance (I rarely ever took the front entrance). Upon seeing the empty stall I turned around to find some guy sitting on the steps. I asked him if he had seen anything. He hadn't.

Explain that.

 

What do you want explaining?
You had a dream that turned out not be true.
I've done that many times.
Mostly featuring Isabelle Adjani, but I won't go into that here.

 

The point is the brain isn't always merely processing and crunching and filing and deleting, and cleaning. It's capable of more obviously. Like, accessing the unconscious mind?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabelle_Adjani

Rather understandable fascination.