america killing americans..

Discussion in 'World Events' started by scifes, Oct 11, 2011.

  1. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    you serious or being sarcastic?

    oh and per your snotwuh, i think tax money being the fuel of american war has been figured out by terrorists worldwide. i'm sure that made them love and adore and not want to kill the innocent civilians who patriotically pay it..
     
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  3. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    i said america killing americans, not americans killing americans.
    and assasinating would be more accurate.
    i meant it in an inverse way, people should be killed after seeing a trial, that's the right of everybody, americans and others. but nobody listens when others' rights are violated, america and westren countries WERE an exception, it's scary that that's not the case anymore.

    the american passport used to mean you'll be treated like a human being wherever you go, cuz they all know the US will stand up to them and do you justice, now it's sending you drones with a couple of missiles to blow you up without a chance to even defend yourself.

    even though you're an american, you've had your simpplist rights violated openly.... your government.

    though that fact was sent to the sidelines by saying you're a terrorist after you've been assasinated. as if anyone can say otherwise now that you yourself are dead.
     
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  5. Zakariya04 and it was Valued Senior Member

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    heaven forbid not america killing americans??
    jeeeezzzz have i missed something!!
    I dont know enxt you may get KimJung Ill Nutcase getting his hands ona couple of drones and taking out koreans on american soil or any other place in the world
    Imagine it , all the despostic dictators with this toy
     
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  7. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    Nope.

    You are simply confusing War fighting with Crime Fighting.

    The rules aren't the same.

    The Military (and Obama is acting as the Commander in Chief) does not need to serve warrants or arrest suspects for trial.


    Arthur
     
  8. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    And if we used a drone to kill an Al Qaeda suspect in the middle of London you'd have a valid analogy.

    But we don't.
     
  9. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    Is this your backhanded way of defending the terrorists killing of innocents?

    That they pay taxes?
     
  10. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Well, someone had to press the button, so it's the same: Americans killing Americans, unless the drone had a sudden breakdown of its legal processing circuits and decide to let God sort 'em out vis-a-vis the importance of maintaining America's democratic-industrial process.

    We talk about due legal process here, yet the guy was essentially a rebel. So in what ethical or legal way was he different from Confederate troops in the American Civil War? Would individuals killed in that conflict on either side consider their deaths a result of due process? I'd be interested to see other people's thoughts on this line of discussion. Has he essentially not declared war on his state? Is such a declaration meaningful? Is it an ethical prerequisite?

    Oh, you were being sarcastic. Well, whether or not the US passport seems to confer additional rights - and American hedgemony certainly leans this way - it's only one case.

    Well, lots of evidence could certainly be produced either way. And, he was a well-known terrorist sympathizer and supporter well prior to his unfortunate demise, actually. Don't let word plays get away with you here.
     
  11. Zakariya04 and it was Valued Senior Member

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    Imagine it a US criminal on the run in the UK in your home town!! One minute all is paceful the next minute a hellfire missle has hit a car in your local town centre!!
     
  12. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Minor difference: the UK could arrest the guy. Iraq, not so much. Still, overkill coupled with civilian deaths. Bad.
     
  13. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    No because that would be stupid.

    We use Drones where drones make sense, in war and in places like the desert in Yeman.

    Arthur
     
  14. Zakariya04 and it was Valued Senior Member

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    Its like the levinchenko bloke (however you spell his name) what if RUssia had flown a drone over some town in the Uk and taken him out (instead of alledgedly poisoning him) what woudl happen then???
     
  15. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    Why do you postulate something that hasn't happened (and isn't likely to happen because it would be stupid to do so) as a reason to not use Drones in the desert in Yemen?
     
  16. Zakariya04 and it was Valued Senior Member

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    Oh are America at war with yemen now???

    or is America at war with its own people???
     
  17. Zakariya04 and it was Valued Senior Member

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    dont take it literally it is the precident being set which worries me!!
     
  18. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Sarcastic. Please don't pretend terrorists are simply defending themselves from war. They want to restore a Caliphate under Islamic law, they objected to the liberation of East Timor from their Indonesian theocratic oppressors. When they rule, their regime is far more oppressive than anything the US could dream of creating. But it's Islamic, so I guess that makes it OK.
     
  19. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    Nope, America is at War with Al Qaeda and these members of Al Qaeda were living in parts of Yemen that they control, their citizenship is not material.

    Arthur
     
  20. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    Using drones to kill known terrorists operating in the Deserts of Yemen isn't setting a precedent to use them anywhere.
     
  21. Zakariya04 and it was Valued Senior Member

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    hummm ok so whats the difference between the US doing what they did and say Kim Jung Ill the nut job using a a drone (lets say he had a few) to fire a missle up a North Korean fugitive's arse he didnt like in i don't know lets say Mongolia?????
     
  22. Zakariya04 and it was Valued Senior Member

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    Who's Alqueda??? do they have a membership list????
     
  23. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    Well the most important is does Kim have the agreement with Mongolia, as we do with Yemen, to use Drones in that area?
     

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