On the Trinity and the Faces of God

Do you think that I think I'm the only one with a dirty past? So are you saying I shouldn't even try because I might fail? Where would science be if we all followed that advice? Please clarify.

 

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You don't have the book . I can tell . I am a, kind of selfish . It is the seven scrolls of salesmanship . It is the story that depicts Paul going to the Greatest Salesman that ever lived and getting the 7 scrolls from him that had been past down in time to that very merchant by heritage . Paul used the scrolls to form his business model of selling Christianity . Very good Book . The information on the scrolls ? If you do them you can sell very good . Paul's salesmanship is still lingering

 

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None of these tangents matter if we can't identify the existence of the Creator, so come and help me do this here:

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2816554&postcount=98

 

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We got a failure to communicate . No !! Everybody is called a sinner in the Christian world . Your Perfect in your sin Bro . Have you heard that before ?
I think your fresh blood could revitalize the original hopes and dreams coming together as one man . I just read this morning that there was much hope in the internet age of peoples coming together and developing an understanding of each other . The dream was squashed by the rage of the people . People have lost hope that that will happen . I am like you in the fact that I think it still can . I though it might be very enlightening for you to see what has already been going on in this manner . It is pretty much new to Me . I am a new comer to internet . A 3 year old

 

To Me-Ki-Gal: Communication failures are a painful hindrance, but I'm glad we could remedy ours. A little clarification on my end:

From the Christian standpoint, we are called sinners because we sin (it should be obvious, I know, but sometimes it's hard to see and I honestly mean that). I don't think man is perfect in their sin because that typically means they're doing something that goes against the bettering of mankind as a whole. I do believe in the statement "love the sinner, hate the sin".

When we go against the rules/guidelines laid out for us, we end up hurting more people and gaining only a kind of wealth that will eventually be taken from us in death. I do not think that hating/retaliating violently against the individual helps anything. That's why I'd rather think about ways or arguments that could help deter them from committing the sin in the first place. You are right that rage plays a role in our habit to sin.

However, I also stated this thread is not going to end up as a sermon, so I will refrain from falling into it. BTW, if you really want me to read the book, please tell me the author's name in a PM.

SciWriter: I understand your passion in wanting to identify the existence of the Creator, but I do not appreciate you inserting your thread into this one. Next time please PM me. In any case, I would have to study more before I could help you with that, if I ever could. Also, these tangents do matter. Not only am I beginning to understand the minds/arguments of those who do not follow Him, but I am seeing where my own faith really stands.

Off Topic: Unfortunately, I must be off now until 12 pm CST tomorrow.

 

my advice for you is to catch up . Do you believe in bible scriptures or not? The symbolism of 3 is of big importance in scripture and and in science . The 3rd planet from the sun . The third day of Christ that was really 2 days . Were Christianity almost died except for the will of a poor wench that mothered a boy named Constantine . Latter she proclaimed she found the true cross on May 3rd . and how that lingers to this day by a Celebration in Mexico dedicated to the Construction Worker . 5 months is in revelations . You might check that out .

Anyway your life made you the way you are . Ask your self . Would you do it the same way if you only know what you knew then ? That don't mean you don't strive to get a better understanding were as to make better choices. How fast can you absorb information? I am slow at it my self . I go as fast as I can and try not to trip . Dyw is said to be a quick study . I think it is probably true

 

The trinity can be explain as representing three differentiations of one essense. In Buddhism, the Buddha has dozens of slightly different statues, like the laughing Buddha, the sitting Buddha, etc. These are all Buddha, but each is but one attribute of the whole. The infinite is easier to comprehend when done piecemeal. The person who laughs can find connection through this attribute. The trinity are all god.

This is different than polythesism, since in polytheism, each attribute is treated like it is separate and distinct; separate gods. If would be like saying the laughing Buddha is a different person than the sitting Buddha because they are so different. That is why there are two statues.

Monotheism said, these are all part of the whole, with sitting and laughing Buddha not two people but one doing two things. Once this was clear, the trinity breaks the whole into three chunks, but of one substance.

A more common example, might be a girlfriend who has different looks in terms of dress and style. One day she may put on the daisy dukes, the next day the sweat shirt and the next day the evening gown. Each day she is so different and unique, yet she is always the same person.

If you look at Christ on the cross this tells us something about each aspect of the trinity. The three main points are the two feet together, 2 hand that are separate and the head.

The feet touch the earth, this is the god as man (nature and instinct). Left and right feet together means conscious and unconscious instinct are one. The two hands are the Holy Spirit. The left hand is connected to the heart and the right hand to the mind; thoughts and feelings, feeling and thoughts. The head is the father, intuition and faith. Most people don't develop all these things, so any part of the whole is of the same essense. This is more inclusive in terms of diversity and unity.

 

The statues people think are laughing Buddhas are Budai, a Chinese folk character, not Buddha.

 

dat some deep history laying in there Spidey !! How boat Magadha . They had a republic and made much contribution to Mathematics ,science , Civilization . I like the way they call there local chiefs Gramakas. That reminds Me of something just recently . Brothers Grim . No that is not it . Old Cats maybe . Crazy cats of the past . That be it

 

Does it really matter? The analogy is still valid. Buddha is also viewed as a god by some accounts, as a prophet by others, and as a man who became greater than the gods in still more.

Very poignant, wellwisher. I don't think I've ever heard it put that way. Where'd you hear that from?

 

Music is neither good nor bad morally. It is good or bad musically.
There is also Christian Heavy Metal. I wasn't familiar with it.
I just found these on wiki. Demonhunter. They sound pretty good I think.
I want to listen some more anyway.

I think it works better than a lot of of Christian versions of genres.
Most of them are derivative, and poor copies of the originals.
This is far better, but perhaps that is understandable.
After all, the Satanic variety of heavy metal is also based on Christianity.
It just makes the opposite decision about how to cope with life.

Have a listen.
http://www.myspace.com/demonhunter

 

Christian heavy metal? Isn't that an oxymoron?

 

Not if you believe that metals like Osmium were created.

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I wonder if there is a heavy metal band called Osmium.
If not, and you are a band looking for a good name, please send me $5 and it's yours.

 

Frishman: Please try and respect the fact that maybe spidergoat is trying to make sure we are all up to date on facts. He does not seem to be hostile in his response, but is just clearing up a common misconception. That is why we are here, after all, to make sure we all actually know what we're talking about and aren't just spouting what we've been supposedly "brainwashed" in.

Me-Ki-Gal: I do believe in scripture. The way/why I, and maybe others, interpret it is what I believe we are discussing. I understand that numbers in the text had some symbolic meaning, or else there was no point in them being repeated (http://www.christcenteredmall.com/teachings/symbolism/numbers.htmis a site you might enjoy).

As to whether or not I would repeat my choices in life, yes I would do it the same way. Knowing what I do about how it affected my future choices, especially as it pertains to what university I choose, the broadening of my perspective beyond my more limited faith at the time, and my choice in husband (we wouldn't have met under different circumstances), I don't regret the life I've lived. That being said, were some of the things that happened to me awful? Yes. Do I think everyone needs to walk the same paths to learn? No. I don't think I learn faster/better than everyone else. I do at least have the capacity.

Back to Thread: wellwisher, I too haven't heard the Trinity explained in those terms. It's a beautiful description, and a welcome contribution to the thread.

Arioch, heavy metal is defined by wiki as a genre of music "With roots in blues rock and psychedelic rock, the bands that created heavy metal developed a thick, massive sound, characterized by highly amplified distortion, extended guitar solos, emphatic beats, and overall loudness. Heavy metal lyrics and performance styles are generally associated with masculinity and machismo." If a man decides that his faith makes him a man, I don't see how that goes against what heavy metal actually is...and I like the loud, floor thumping bits - of both types.

 

But he never thought of himself as a god. It's a misunderstanding of Buddhism, probably caused by Buddhism's integration with previous native religions.

 

You should be able to understand the Concept of ( Perfect in your sin then

 

I don't know in what universe this constitutes a philosophical subject, but then again, I am not up to date with the current mythologies.
I live in the past.

 

The idea behind the Trinity affects some people's way of life. I thought that eventually we would get to those philosophies, but I think we sidetracked somewhere...oh well, discussions have their own life, and it's interesting to see where things go.

 

Ah...so an idea is to be considered in a serious manner when enough people are affected by it?
Given that, in the past witches should have been a serious subject for philosophical debate.

If the subject is unflattering to one participant or to an entire group, on what grounds would you suggest justifying its exclusion from debate?

 

Witches are a serious subject for philosophical debate . Considering the abuse against women for how long now ? Why would a woman belong to a mans fraternity ? ? I don't know ? Why would they support it knowing women will not be considered equals because of not being a Man ? Whats up with that ?