How to Win an Argument With a Vegetarian

Fraggle Rocker said:
For millions of years our ancestors were obligate carnivores, and we have their bodies.

As well as their instincts and their food preferences. We don't need no stinking carrots!
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Modern humans have no need to eat meat to get all the nutrition they need. I'm not sure everybody would agree with you about their food preferences. But even if you were right about that, that also does nothing to address the moral arguments against eating meat.

MarcGreen said:
Wrong about what? It's your choice to eat poorly, and my choice to eat a varied diet with complex proteins.
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Welcome to sciforums. Did you come here just to take a swipe at vegetarians?

What makes you think eating a vegetarian diet is equivalent to eating "poorly"?

Why would you need someone to convince you that you are wrong? Are you doubting your choice?
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Good observation. Yet every time one of these threads appears, suddenly we see meat eaters emerge from the woodwork to stridently defend their carnivorous appetites. Look at the number of posts that do nothing except crow about what kinds of meat the meat-eater likes, for example.

What's this over-defensiveness all about, do you think?
 
James R said:
Good observation. Yet every time one of these threads appears, suddenly we see meat eaters emerge from the woodwork to stridently defend their carnivorous appetites.
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I'm just thankful I don't have to hunt and kill for the meat I eat. But I do think if I paid as much attention to my diet as do vegetarians I wouldn't be over weight now.
 
jmpet said:
I am a Vegetarian and I am not convinced. I am actually 99% Vegan- only I eat cheese (and producing the milk to make cheese does not kill the cow) but I am totally flesh-free! No meat, no animal products (except for cheese for me), no eggs, no honey (because they kill 90% of the population in the winter... the honey we extract is their winter food source- so we take it and mercy kill all but the queen)... no animal by-products- no leather etc...

I need someone to convince me, a Vegetarian that I am wrong.

Here and waiting-
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Your sick a lot . You need more beans in your diet bro . To compensate . Soy beans have all essential amino acids to make protein and that is why it is a big favorite among whole food radicals. Other beans need a legume to go with them . That be like grains and stuff . Beans and a grain . Nuts work there way in there to and that is why a peanut butter sandwich and bread is high performance type food .
Note : people with peanut allergies shut there eyes . Do not eat a peanut butter sandwich . This is my disclaimer

I came from a food radical family . We ground our own wheat when I was growing up . All the other kids got Captain Crunch , but no we had to eat our ground red whole wheat . That we ground by hand . We had a 2 year supply of the stuff . We also made our own bread and what the fuck ever heard of leaven . Hockey puck saw dust is what it was . No white bread could hit these lips , no no. Fuck Me and my horse , plus the mouse in my pocket .
That was not worst of it . It was the green grape and wheat germ smoothies with the seeds ground up in em . Oh shit Smoothies taste good now a days but that shit you could not get ants to eat and drink it . Oh what a fucking night mare for a kid. I like wheat ground now . Lets just say it was an acquired taste . Not sure if I could do the grape wheat germ thing with the grape seeds ground up in it though . I could give it Me best shot . Maybe wid some booze
 
KilljoyKlown said:
Doesn't eating to much meat cause constipation problems? Or maybe taking a dump every 3 days is a bonus?
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You aren't implying that people who eat very little plant foods are full of crap, are you?
I mean, I enjoy being able to lose two pounds in ten seconds on the porcelain throne...I'm just a regular person...really regular.
My brother observed this, my wife and I are vegetarians. We're sort of crap terrorists...we're in and out so fast, you wonder why the bathroom suddenly stinks...like garlic and beans!
(I'm also known for my ninja farts, silent and very deadly...)

:p
 
KilljoyKlown said:
I'm just thankful I don't have to hunt and kill for the meat I eat. But I do think if I paid as much attention to my diet as do vegetarians I wouldn't be over weight now.
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I like killing my dinner . The meat is not raised in a salmonella slush pool . Deer meat is extremely lean and tender. I mean it is extremely lean . It is good for you and if you got to kill em your self you will run that flabby gut of your right off .
 
Me-Ki-Gal said:
I like killing my dinner . The meat is not raised in a salmonella slush pool . Deer meat is extremely lean and tender. I mean it is extremely lean . It is good for you and if you got to kill em your self you will run that flabby gut of your right off .
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If I start eating meat again I'm probably going to try to eat only what I can catch...
Which rather implies I'm going to be eating some weird stuff...I understand armadillo tastes like pork...
But I'd probably start with fish and frogs.

I once had some roasted feral hog.

A really dangerous animal, but WOW! If I get into hunting...
 
chimpkin said:
If I start eating meat again I'm probably going to try to eat only what I can catch...
Which rather implies I'm going to be eating some weird stuff...I understand armadillo tastes like pork...
But I'd probably start with fish and frogs.

I once had some roasted feral hog.

A really dangerous animal, but WOW! If I get into hunting...
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You didn't say if you were the one that skinned and dressed it, but I would guess not.

Did you know that in Texas the armadillo is the official state speed bump.:D
 
What we eat is largely a matter of availability, cultural conditioning and personal preference, tempered on occasion by any allergies and intolerance.

All whole foods and those minimally processed are deemed to be healthier by most who research such things, and moderation in portion size balanced to activity will aid in attaining and maintaining optimum body weight for one's circumstances.

If I lived in a warmer climate, I could imagine myself as a vegetarian or possibly even vegan. The extremes of this climate and the physical nature of my activities find me craving fat and meat protein, in all forms. I have been raised in a culture that respectfully eats meat, honoring the creature that offers it's life in support of our own.

I know several vegetarians, vegans, and those formerly of that persuasion. One of my current dietary mentors is a chemist from Europe, a former vegetarian of over a decade, who now advocates a moderate amount of chicken, fish or pork in the diet, eats organic where possible and avoids most processed foods. At 65, he radiates physical and intellectual energy. I don't think he is contemplating retirement for a decade despite having no need to work. He would die of boredom, lol....
 
KilljoyKlown said:
Did you know that in Texas the armadillo is the official state speed bump.:D
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Pretty much, they're about blind...
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Here's the one I chased around at the gas station, snapping pictures.
If you don't move when they are looking at you they don't run away. Their armor seems to be better-made for moving through sticker-bushes than anything else...They usually get killed by whacking into the undercarriage.

I have actually shooed the little farts off the road...Last night I almost creamed one coming home...had to swerve to the side, then honk repeatedly before he got off the road.

I could see myself keeping hens for eggs and pest control...but no freaking rooster!
 
KilljoyKlown said:
I'm not confused at all and most humans don't survive on a straight carnivorous diet for very good reasons. I'm sure the Inuits do the best they can and when they have a choice they eat more variety and grow healthier and live longer. The Japanese have been eating a lot better since WW2 and whole generations of their kids are growing bigger than their parents because of better nutrition. So what's your real point?
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Once again you make silly statements to defend your ignorance.

All humans can survive on a carnivorous diet, as long as they follow the balanced carnivorous diet of the inuit.

The Japanese live longer and suffer less from certain afflictions because of the nature of their diet. You still don't seem to be able to grasp the simple concept that bigger isn't necessarily better.

Why don't you just quit it. Be a man.
 
All humans can survive on a carnivorous diet, as long as they follow the balanced carnivorous diet of the inuit.
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Seals are supposed to taste kinda funky...

In 1991, life expectancy at birth in the Inuit-inhabited areas was about 68 years, which was 10 years lower than for Canada overall. From 1991 to 2001, life expectancy in the Inuit-inhabited areas did not increase, although it rose by about two years for Canada as a whole. As a result, the gap widened to more than 12 years.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18457208

Y'know, there's a whole bunch of confounding social factors going on with First Nations people, so I don't think the Inuit can be said to prove or disprove anything.

Alright?
 
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jmpet said:
no honey (because they kill 90% of the population in the winter... the honey we extract is their winter food source- so we take it and mercy kill all but the queen)...
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In fairness if there was no demand they'd only kill them anyway, after all we're not just going to release millions of them.
jmpet said:
I am 41, 6'3" and healthy. I also take medically-advised supplements like Krill Oil, B12 and a monthly B12 shot from the doc...
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So in other words your diet is lacking in some areas? :shrug:
KilljoyKlown said:
The title of the topic is the same as the article, and I think it had more to do with getting people to look at the article than having any arguments to say vegetarians are wrong. You didn't say what it was that made you decide to go meatless? One woman I used to work with said she wouldn't eat anything that had a face when it was alive. She didn't have anything against eating animal products like milk and cheese, but a fish has a face.
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What if there was a way to remove the face? ;)
And anyways if we're talking about morality and cruelty then surely you can only be a vegan or omnivore, after all it's hardly natural to stick a machine on a cows tits and suck out its fluids!
 
James R said:
Yet every time one of these threads appears, suddenly we see meat eaters emerge from the woodwork to stridently defend their carnivorous appetites.
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Well duh, of course. What on earth do you expect on a fricken discussion forum. Meat eaters to say "oh you're right!! Dammit I'm going vegetarian!".

And we dont 'emerge from woodwork', we surface from a pool of slime. You know, cos we're disgusting.
 
Anti-Flag said:
mmm soft on the inside, crunchy on the outside.
Couldn't find a knife and fork.
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Armadillo, the other, other, other white meat... I read in a book about them they were called "Hoover Hogs," during the depression in Texas...

See, if I ever hunt, well...I'd start with things like this:
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That's a 'possum, for those of you unfamiliar...yep, America's giant marsupial rat. And speaking of rats, here's an invasive non-native for my menu:
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The nutria from South America.
Oh, and I understand these are delicacies:
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I dunno...y'all have no idea how bad snapping turtles stink on the outside
 
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I'm a vegetarian, I really don't give a toss what any of you eat, as long as it's not me, my family or friends. (and any pets they might have)

I'm not going to state what you eat is bad or unhealthy, I'd just point out I don't eat it for whatever reasons. Most of the time I don't bother telling people because it's a real pain in the arse to deal with people that think their particular diet should fit everyone, everyone's different deal with it.

This means at times I do go without eating when around others that are eating what they want to eat, but I'm prepared to do that, at least I can keep to my diet without causing problems, concerns or arguments with others and there is no accidents or foul-ups (or malice).
 
I really don't give a toss what any of you eat, as long as it's not me, my family or friends.
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I'm married.
And you seem like a nice guy and all, but :eek: no.
 
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